The Sandy Hook Massacre: Unanswered Questions and Missing Information 1,039

Often quoted yet seldom read, this article was written ten days after the December 14 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre.-JT, 4-12-13.

“[My staff] and I hope the people of Newtown don’t have it crash on their head later.” –Connecticut Medical Examiner D. Wayne Carver II, MD, December 15, 2012

Inconsistencies and anomalies abound when one turns an analytical eye to news of the Newtown school massacre. The public’s general acceptance of the event’s validity and faith in its resolution suggest a deepened credulousness borne from a world where almost all news and information is electronically mediated and controlled. The condition is reinforced through the corporate media’s unwillingness to push hard questions vis-à-vis Connecticut and federal authorities who together bottlenecked information while invoking prior restraint through threats of prosecutorial action against journalists and the broader citizenry seeking to interpret the event on social media.

Along these lines on December 19 the Connecticut State Police assigned individual personnel to each of the 26 families who lost a loved one at Sandy Hook Elementary. “The families have requested no press interviews,” State Police assert on their behalf, “and we are asking that this request be honored.[1] The de facto gag order will be in effect until the investigation concludes—now forecast to be “several months away” even though lone gunman Adam Lanza has been confirmed as the sole culprit.[2]

With the exception of an unusual and apparently contrived appearance by Emilie Parker’s alleged father, victims’ family members have been almost wholly absent from public scrutiny.[3] What can be gleaned from this and similar coverage raises many more questions and glaring inconsistencies than answers. While it sounds like an outrageous claim, one is left to inquire whether the Sandy Hook shooting ever took place—at least in the way law enforcement authorities and the nation’s news media have described.

The Accidental Medical Examiner

An especially important yet greatly underreported feature of the Sandy Hook affair is the wholly bizarre performance of Connecticut’s top medical examiner H. Wayne Carver II at a December 15 press conference. Carver’s unusual remarks and behavior warrant close consideration because in light of his professional notoriety they appear remarkably amateurish and out of character.

H. Wayne Carver II has an extremely self-assured, almost swaggering presence in Connecticut state administration. In early 2012 Carver threatened to vacate his position because of state budget cuts and streamlining measures that threatened his professional autonomy over the projects and personnel he oversaw.

Along these lines the pathologist has gone to excessive lengths to demonstrate his findings and expert opinion in court proceedings. For example, in a famous criminal case Carver “put a euthanized pig through a wood chipper so jurors could match striations on the bone fragments with the few ounces of evidence that prosecutors said were on the remains of the victim.”[4] One would therefore expect Carver to be in his element while identifying and verifying the exact ways in which Sandy Hook’s children and teachers met their violent demise.

Yet the H. Wayne Carver who showed up to the December 15 press conference is an almost entirely different man, appearing apprehensive and uncertain, as if he is at a significant remove from the postmortem operation he had overseen. The multiple gaffes, discrepancies, and hedges in response to reporters’ astute questions suggest that he is either under coercion or an imposter. While the latter sounds untenable it would go a long way in explaining his sub-pedestrian grasp of medical procedures and terminology.

With this in mind extended excerpts from this exchange are worthy of recounting here in print.  Carver is accompanied by Connecticut State Police Lieutenant H. Paul Vance and additional Connecticut State Police personnel. The reporters are off-screen and thus unidentified so I have assigned them simple numerical identification based on what can be discerned of their voices.

Reporter #1: So the rifle was the primary weapon?

H. Wayne Carver: Yes.

Reporter #1: [Inaudible]

Carver: Uh (pause). Question was what caliber were these bullets. And I know—I probably know more about firearms than most pathologists but if I say it in court they yell at me and don’t make me answer [sic]—so [nervous laughter]. I’ll let the police do that for you.

Reporter #2: Doctor can you tell us about the nature of the wounds. Were they at very close range? Were the children shot at from across the room?

Carver: Uhm, I only did seven of the autopsies. The victims I had ranged from three to eleven wounds apiece and I only saw two of them with close range shooting. Uh, but that’s, uh y’know, a sample. Uh, I really don’t have detailed information on the rest of the injuries.

[Given that Carver is Connecticut’s top coroner and in charge of the entire postmortem this is a startling admission.-JT]

Reporter #3: But you said that the long rifle was used?

Carver: Yes.

Reporter #3: But the long rifle was discovered in the car.

State Police Lieutenant Vance: That’s not correct, sir.

Unidentified reporter #4: How many bullets or bullet fragments did you find in the autopsy. Can you tell us that?

Carver: Oh. I’m lucky I can tell you how many I found. I don’t know. There were lots of them, OK? This type of weapon is not, uh … the bullets are designed in such a fashion that the energy—this is very clinical. I shouldn’t be saying this. But the energy is deposited in the tissue so the bullet stays in [the tissue].

[In fact, the Bushmaster .223 Connecticut police finally claimed was used in the shooting is designed for long range field use and utilizes high velocity bullets averaging 3,000 feet-per-second, the energy of which even at considerable distance would penetrate several bodies before finally coming to rest in tissue.]

Reporter #5: How close were the injuries?

Carver: Uh, all the ones (pause). I believe say, yes [sic].

Reporter #6: In what shape were the bodies when the families were brought to check [inaudible].

Carver: Uh, we did not bring the bodies and the families into contact. We took pictures of them, uhm, of their facial features. We have, uh, uh—it’s easier on the families when you do that. Un, there is, uh, a time and place for the up close and personal in the grieving process, but to accomplish this we thought it would be best to do it this way and, uh, you can sort of, uh … You can control a situation depending on the photographer, and I have very good photographers. Uh, but uh—

Reporter #7: Do you know the difference of the time of death between the mother in the house and the bodies recovered [in the school].

Carver: Uh, no, I don’t. Sorry [shakes head excitedly] I don’t! [embarrassed laugh]

Reporter #8: Did the gunman kill himself with the rifle?

Carver: No. I—I don’t know yet. I’ll-I’ll examine him tomorrow morning. But, but I don’t think so.

[Why has Carver left arguably the most important specimen for last? And why doesn’t he think Lanza didn’t commit suicide with the rifle?]

Reporter #9: In terms of the children, were they all found in one classroom or—

Carver: Uhm … [inaudible] [Turns to Lieutenant Vance] Paul and company will deal with that.

Reporter #9: What?

Carver: Paul and company will deal with that. Lieutenant Vance is going to handle that one.

Reporter #10: Was there any evidence of a struggle? Any bruises?

Carver: No.

Reporter #11: The nature of the shooting; is there any sense that there was a lot of care taken with precision [inaudible] or randomly?

Carver: [Exhales while glancing upward, as if frustrated] Both. It’s a very difficult question to answer … You’d think after thousands of people I’ve seen shot but I … It’s … If I attempted to answer it in court there’d be an objection and then they’d win—[nervous laughter].

[Who would win? Why does an expert whose routine job as a public employee is to provide impartial medical opinion concerned with winning and losing in court? Further, Carver is not in court but rather at a press conference.]

Reporter #12: Doctor, can you discuss the fatal injuries to the adults?

Carver: Ah, they were similar to those of the children.

Reporter #13: Doctor, the children you had autopsied, where in the bodies were they hit?

Carver: Uhm [pause]. All over. All over.

Reporter #14: Were [the students] sitting at their desks or were they running away when this happened?

Carver: I’ll let the guys who—the scene guys talk—address that issue. I, uh, obviously I was at the scene. Obviously I’m very experienced in that. But there are people who are, uh, the number one professionals in that. I’ll let them—let that [voice trails off].

Reporter [#15]: How many boys and how many girls [were killed]?

Carver: [Slowly shaking his head] I don’t know.

More Unanswered Questions and Inconsistencies

In addition to Carver’s remarks several additional chronological and evidentiary contradictions in the official version of the Sandy Hook shooting are cause for serious consideration and leave doubt in terms of how the event transpired vis-à-vis the way authorities and major media outlets have presented it. It is now well known that early on journalists reported that Adam Lanza’s brother Ryan Lanza was reported to be the gunman, and that pistols were used in the shooting rather than a rifle. Yet these are merely the tip of the iceberg.

  • When Did the Gunman Arrive?

After Adam Lanza fatally shot and killed his mother at his residence, he drove himself to the elementary school campus, arriving one half hour after classes had commenced. Dressed in black, Lanza proceeds completely unnoticed through an oddly vacant parking lot with a military style rifle and shoots his way through double glass doors and a brand new yet apparently poorly engineered security system.

Further, initial press accounts suggest how no school personnel or students heard gunshots and no 911 calls are made until after Lanza begins firing inside the facility. “It was a lovely day,” Sandy Hook fourth grade teacher Theodore Varga said. And then, suddenly and unfathomably, gunshots rang out. “I can’t even remember how many,” Varga said.[5]

The recollection contrasts sharply with an updated version of Lanza’s arrival where at 9:30AM  he

walked up to the front entrance and fired at least a half dozen rounds into the glass doors. The thunderous sound of Lanza blowing an opening big enough to walk through the locked school door caused Principal Dawn Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Scherlach to bolt from a nearby meeting room to investigate. He shot and killed them both as they ran toward him.

Breaching the school’s security system in such a way would have likely triggered some automatic alert of school personnel. Further, why would the school’s administrators run toward an armed man who has just noisily blasted his way into the building?

Two other staff members attending the meeting with Hochsprung and Scherlach sustained injuries “in the hail of bullets” but returned to the aforementioned meeting room and managed a call to 911.[6] This contrasted with earlier reports where the first 911 call claimed students “were trapped in a classroom with the adult shooter who had two guns.”[7] Recordings of the first police dispatch following the 911 call at 9:35:50 indicate that someone “thinks there’s someone shooting in the building.”[8] There is a clear distinction between potentially hearing shots somewhere in the building and being almost mortally caught in a “hail of bullets.”

  • How did the gunman fire so many shots in such little time?

According to Dr. Carver and State Police, Lanza shot each victim between 3 and 11 times during a 5 to 7 minute span. If one is to average this out to 7 bullets per individual—excluding misses—Lanza shot 182 times, or once every two seconds. Yet according to the official story Lanza was the sole assassin and armed with only one weapon. Thus if misses and changing the gun’s 30-shot magazine at least 6 times are added to the equation Lanza must have been averaging about one shot per second—extremely skilled use of a single firearm for a young man with absolutely no military training and who was on the verge of being institutionalized.  Still, an accurate rendering of the event is even more difficult to arrive at because the chief medical examiner admittedly has no idea exactly how the children were shot or whether a struggle ensued.

  • Where is the Photo and Video Evidence?

Photographic and video evidence is at once profuse yet lacking in terms of its capacity to demonstrate that a mass shooting took place on the scale described by authorities. For example, in an era of ubiquitous video surveillance of public buildings especially no visual evidence of Lanza’s violent entry has emerged. And while studio snapshots of the Sandy Hook victims abound there is little if any eyewitness testimony of anyone who’s observed the corpses except for Carver and his staff, and they appear almost as confused about the conditions of the deceased as any layperson watching televised coverage of the event. Nor are there any routine eyewitness, photo or video evidence of the  crime scene’s aftermath—broken glass, blasted security locks and doors, bullet casings and holes, bloodied walls and floors—all of which are common in such investigations and reportage.

  • Why Were Medical Personnel Turned Away From the Crime Scene?

Oddly enough medical personnel are forced to set up their operation not at the school where the dead and injured lay, but rather at the fire station several hundred feet away. This flies in the face of standard medical operating procedure where personnel are situated as close to the scene as possible. There is no doubt that the school had ample room to accommodate such personnel. Yet medical responders who rushed to Sandy Hook Elementary upon receiving word of the tragedy were denied entry to the school and forced to set up primary and secondary triages off school grounds and wait for the injured to be brought to them.

Shortly after the shooting “as other ambulances from neighboring communities rolled up, sirens blaring, the first responders slowly realized that their training would be tragically underutilized on this horrible day. ‘You may not be able to save everybody, but you damn well try,’” 44 year old emergency medical technician James Wolff told NBC News. “’And when (we) didn’t have the opportunity to put our skills into action, it’s difficult.’”[9]

In light of this, who were the qualified medical practitioners that pronounced the 20 children and 7 adults dead? Who decided that none could be revived? Carver and his staff are apparently the only medical personnel to have attended to the victims—yet this was in the postmortem conducted several hours later. Such slipshod handling of the crime scene leaves the State of Connecticut open to a potential array of hefty civil claims by families of the slain.

  • Did a mass evacuation of the school take place?

Sandy Hook Elementary is attended by 600 students. Yet there is no photographic or video evidence of an evacuation on this scale. Instead, limited video and photographic imagery suggest that a limited evacuation of perhaps at most several dozen students occurred.

A highly circulated photo depicts students walking in a single file formation with their hands on each others’ shoulders and eyes shut. Yet this was the image of a drill that took place prior to the event itself.[10. See Correction] Most other photos are portraits of individual children. Despite aerial video footage of the event documenting law enforcement scouring the scene and apprehending one or more suspects in the wooded area nearby the school,[11] there is no such evidence that a mass exodus of children from the school transpired once law enforcement pronounced Sandy Hook secure. Nor are there videos or photos of several hundred students and their parents at the oft-referenced fire station nearby where students were routed for parent pick up.

Sound Bite Prism and the Will to Believe

Outside of a handful of citizen journalists and alternative media commentators Sandy Hook’s dramatically shifting factual and circumstantial terrain has escaped serious critique because it is presented through major media’s carefully constructed prism of select sound bites alongside a widespread and longstanding cultural impulse to accept the pronouncements of experts, be they bemused physicians, high ranking law enforcement officers, or political leaders demonstrating emotionally-grounded concern.

Political scientist W. Lance Bennett calls this the news media’s “authority-disorder bias.” “Whether the world is returned to a safe, normal place,” Bennett writes, “or whether the very idea of a normal world is called into question, the news is preoccupied with order, along with related questions of whether authorities are capable of establishing or restoring it.”[12]

Despite Carver’s bizarre performance and law enforcement authorities’ inability to settle on and relay simple facts, media management’s impulse to assure audiences and readerships of the Newtown community’s inevitable adjustment to its trauma and loss with the aid of the government’s protective oversight—however incompetent that may be—far surpasses a willingness to undermine this now almost universal news media narrative with messy questions and suggestions of intrigue. This well-worn script is one the public has been conditioned to accept. If few people relied on such media to develop their world view this would hardly be a concern. Yet this is regrettably not the case.

The Sandy Hook tragedy was on a far larger scale than the past year’s numerous slaughters, including the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting and the Batman theater shooting in Colorado. It also included glaringly illogical exercises and pronouncements by authorities alongside remarkably unusual evidentiary fissures indistinguishable by an American political imagination cultivated to believe that the corporate, government and military’s sophisticated system of organized crime is largely confined to Hollywood-style storylines while really existing malfeasance and crises are without exception returned to normalcy.

If recent history is a prelude the likelihood of citizens collectively assessing and questioning Sandy Hook is limited even given the event’s overtly superficial trappings.  While the incident is ostensibly being handled by Connecticut law enforcement, early reports indicate how federal authorities were on the scene as the 911 call was received. Regardless of where one stands on the Second Amendment and gun control, it is not unreasonable to suggest the Obama administration’s complicity or direct oversight of an incident that has in very short order sparked a national debate on the very topic—and not coincidentally remains a key piece of Obama’s political platform.

The move to railroad this program through with the aid of major media and an irrefutable barrage of children’s portraits, “heartfelt” platitudes and ostensible tears neutralizes a quest for genuine evidence, reasoned observation and in the case of Newtown honest and responsible law enforcement. Moreover, to suggest that Obama is not capable of deploying such techniques to achieve political ends is to similarly place ones faith in image and interpretation above substance and established fact, the exact inclination that in sum has brought America to such an impasse.

Notes


[1] State of Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, ”State Police Investigate Newtown School Shooting” [Press Release] December 15, 2012.

[2] State of Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, “Update: Newtown School Shooting” [Press Release], December 19, 2012.

[3] CNN, “Family of 6 Year Old Victim,” December 14, 2012, “Sandy Hook School Shooting Hoax Fraud,” Youtube, December 17, 2012.

[4] Hartford Courant, “Finally ‘Enough’ For Chief Medical Examiner” [Editorial], January 30, 2012.

[5] John Christofferson and Jocelyn Noveck, “Sandy Hook School Shooting: Adam Lanza Kills 26 and Himself at Connecticut School,” Huffington Post, December 15, 2012.

[6] Edmund H. Mahoney, Dave Altmari, and Jon Lender, “Sandy Hook Shooter’s Pause May Have Aided Escape,” Hartford Courant, December 23, 2012.

[8] RadioMan911TV, “Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting Newtown Police / Fire and CT State Police,” Youtube, December 14, 2012. At several points in this recording audio is scrambled, particularly following apprehension of a second shooting suspect outside the school, suggesting a purposeful attempt to withhold vital information.

[9] Miranda Leitsinger, “You Feel Helpless: First Responders Rushed to School After Shooting, Only to Wait,” US News on NBC, December 20.

[10] http://thenetng.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sandy-Hook-Elementary-School-600×400.jpg. 12/25/12 Update/Correction: Note that this photo of approximately fifteen children allegedly being evacuated from Sandy Hook Elementary was reportedly produced on December 14. See Connor Simpson, Alexander Abad-Santos et al, “Newtown School Shooting: Live Updates,” The Atlantic Wire, December 19, 2012. Still, the paltry number of children confirms the claim that little photographic evidence exists of Sandy Hook’s 600 students being moved from the facility on December 14. This photo was  from a Tweet of a Sandy Hook drill published by the school’s slain principal Dawn Hochsprung titled, “Safety First.” See Julia La Rouche, “Principal Killed in Sandy Hook Tweeted Picture of Students Practicing an Evacuation Drill,” Business Insider, December 16, 2012.

[11] Rob Dew, “Evidence of 2nd and 3rd Shooter at Sandy Hook,” Infowars Nightly News, December 18, 2012,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nCFHImNeRw. A more detailed yet less polished analysis was developed by citizen journalist Idahopicker, “Sandy Hook Elem: 3 Shooters,” December 16, 2012. See also James F. Tracy, “Analyzing the Newtown Narrative: Sandy Hook’s Disappearing Shooter Suspects,” Memoryholeblog.com, December 20, 2012.

[12] W. Lance Bennett, News: The Politics of Illusion 9th Edition, Boston: Longman, 2012, 47.

-James F. Tracy

Andrew Whooley provided suggestions and research for this article.

Republished at GlobalResarch.ca on December 25, 2012.

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  1. Ok people, I posted a couple times with some things that actually might have a little bit of substance to it and was looking for some feedback and your thoughts and you just continue to sit here and bicker back and forth. Are you looking for answers or an argument?

    • John, are you referring to the post you made about the helicopter video that was taken before the shooting? If so, I’m sorry I didn’t respond. Thank you for providing that information and the link to the sun calculator. I saw that same video and noticed how it looked like they were preparing for a drill or a movie shoot. So, while I didn’t respond, I did read your post and appreciated the info you gave.

  2. Ain’t it funny that despite history clearly showing that governments including the US have killed millions upon millions using every type of deception available to divert attention away from their nefarious agendas, many will still say that claiming the government could be behind the killing of children can only be the result of mental illness?

  3. Has anyone seen this information about ME Carver and the legislation he championed back in February 2011 to effectively seal the autopsy reports for pediatric homicide victims? It does seem very odd to me that he would be so adamant about this piece of legislation, especially when it pretty much gives him the freedom to make children homicide victim’s autopsies say pretty much whatever he wants them to say as long as the police will back him up on it. (And also, I saw just a few days ago that he resigned his position as Chief ME, although he’s staying on as a regular ME, I guess.)

    • Someone doesn’t have good comprehension skills, I think. He wasn’t pushing for that bill, he was saying it was redundant, they didn’t need it. I have doubt that he was threatening to quit if it wasn’t passed. Trying to find something to add to the conspiracy fire under every rock doesn’t add to truth or clarity, it only muddies the water further.

  4. Those familiar with the port arthur massacure in tasmania (Australia) may not know the perp was from a place called ” new town”. Some coincidence, huh?

  5. Mr. Tracy
    Thinking people know you are asking valid questions on this matter.
    I personally believe this was a test of the masses by Gov. to see how easy it is for the media (corporate) to make them completely believe that an event took place without providing the barest minimum of evidence (cctv school tapes).
    Just like 9/11 Pentagon, show us the film proof .

    • Love what you did with the sign in the beginning. Watching now, have you seen my shadow length analysis of Time of Day for Sandy Hook, “chase in the woods”?

      • @patriotact who said: “Love what you did with the sign in the beginning.”
        That beginning is offensive and in poor taste. Am I to believe that only the beginning is altered but the rest isn’t? If you want to make a point, make it – otherwist this is nothing more than a sophmoric and moronic tactic to advance an agenda. This is like the MSM you rail against. This is not evidence of anything when it’s tainted, that’s been my point. I’ve spent time here evaluating the information put forth, you got me to hang out longer because I had respect for what I thought was your intelligence. If you want people to take you seriously, this won’t do it. No one here is serious to fix anything, you all want to hang out together and commisurate about how the world is such a horrible place. Nothing more to see here. You are prisoners of your own paranoia. Smell a rose, watch a sunset, play frisbee with your children, visit a sick friend, go to church, have faith and hope, meditate (or pray)… live a little.

        • . Smell a rose, watch a sunset, play frisbee with your children, visit a sick friend, go to church, have faith and hope, meditate (or pray)… live a little.

          Forgot to add;
          Forget about Waco, ignore Fast & Furious, forget about Obama violating the war powers act in Libya, Let Obama defy the seperation of powers and take over the budget and debt ceiling, no shredding of the constitution there. Don’t dare anybody question the media when they tell us Benghazi was over a Youtube video or that Trayvon Martin was an innocent little 12 year old minding his own business. Pay no attention nto the arms the administration has given islamic terrorists in north Africa and now giving F-16’s to the muslim brotherhood. And no matter how many Jeeps Chrysler builds in China, remember Mitt Romney told the lie of the year.
          We are a bunch of sad, pathetic little people who are just paranoid. Why can’t we just believe what the regime tells us to believe and go on living our happy little lives. THEY would never lie to us.

        • RickA, thank you (if those are the words to use) for helping one more person wake-up. We can only hope. I’m glad the Professor’s website provides a forum for that.

          What I don’t understand is the WILLFUL refusal to not understand. What is it from within that makes people willfully just not see what is there to see. Even if you want to believe the spin of, say, Libya, there is no way on earth that you can blackout that illegal, murderous, destruction of a peaceful, prosperous country.

          Manny, I doubt that you can explain this. Does that part of your consciousness go black? Is there a buzz in your head. I’m not joking or trying to be sarcastic. I really would like to know the cognitive process taking place.

        • I have read that it is similar to normalcy bias, but a sort of clinging to the accepted for a sense of security. Maybe subconsciously its like being able to think my big daddy will take care of me and keep me safe. It is just to scarey to let go of that idea, or so it said. But he is right in a way too. Those who do not see (is there any so blind as he who will not see?) can go on their way, smelling the flowers, pledging allegiance to the flag and enjoying their days. You gotta admit that knowing these things does not make for happiness. Maybe they are right to close their eyes and at least have a little happiness for awhile longer. I am very much afraid it is too late to save our Republic so why ruin their lives with truth?

        • Ignorance is bliss? If my country is being destroyed from within, I’d much rather face it full on and do whatever I can to stop the progression rather than ignore the facts and hide my head in the sand, pretending like it’s not really true. There is indeed a gravity to knowing these things, but it’s the gravity of maturity. Children can be blissfully ignorant of the evil in the world, but one cannot stay a child forever. As you grow up, you learn little by little of the evil out there. In situations like this, we tend to feel that political adulthood has been thrust upon us all at once, without that gradual progression allowed to children. Being an adult means you’ve got to face reality, even if that reality isn’t pleasant sometimes. But all in all, I’d rather be an adult who sees reality and can take steps to protect myself from that evil than a child who is easy prey for any pervert out there.

        • Manny also forgot to add, get drunk as shit, smoke lots of pot, smoke GOOD crack, take high grade pharmaceutical psychotropics, smoke all sorts of shit, and then … smoke MORE CRACK.

        • I’m sure you’re both joking, but it doesn’t do much for your credibility. But looking at all this depressing crap does make you feel like you need it.

      • Manny also forgot to add, get drunk as shit, smoke lots of pot, smoke GOOD crack, take high grade pharmaceutical psychotropics, smoke all sorts of shit, and then … smoke MORE CRACK.

        @ PatriotAct Fuck you!
        I was decent and respectful, you on the other hand like others are very cowardly. You are so fucking right about everything, You are a worthless pos and your games you play say it all All of you, i was decent and you shit on me, why do you deserve any respect?
        Oh BTW, you all RickA, Erik – up yours you contensious fucks! (laura has some conscience) assume you know my state of mind – that I am avoiding the truth – who the hell are you – this is exactly why you pussy’s can’t get out of your basement or ge a date. patriot your forensic science will do no good because you don’t have the social skills or balls to present the evidence. I came back one last time to check and thanks for confirming who you are. Say all you want now and don’t forget COWARDS you have my email so send me your discoveries and show me up with the “truth”. Maybe if you stopped acting like such assholes someone would take you seriously. You have no intention of listening to ANYONE except those that agree – say what you want, that isn’t how I work.

        • Your absolute refusal to address the scientific and logical analysis of all of this, just disgusts me. I can only assume you are mentally impaired or, lazy, or whatever. We are carrying on the development of a team of people using software to construct a timeline of events using shadow length and direction analysis, using calculus, trigonometry, geometry, etc … and you don’t seem to give a shit about that. Your constant interpersonal bickering is crazy, you don’t want to proceed with science or logic, you just make these empty, baseless assumptions and promulgate half theory … get crackin’ … GET TO WORK and stop running your fucking mouth, for real, GET REAL.

        • Manny, just remember as you do your research in Newtown, that we’re looking for actual evidence (what would be considered evidence in a court of law). This means that unless a person was an actual witness of something, their word is not considered evidence. They may or may not be truthful in what they’re saying, but it’s not evidence unless they witnessed it first-hand.

          Examples:
          Evidence: I saw hundreds of children walking to the fire station.
          Not evidence: I went to the funeral and saw people crying.

          Evidence: I was inside the fire station and saw it was packed with children and parents.
          Not evidence: Jeannie told me they had to go to the fire station to pick up their kids.

          Some questions you can try to find answers to (at least answers I’d like to have) are:

          * Did anyone actually see any of the bodies in the coffins or were they all closed casket visitations?
          * How many of the victims’ families have lived in the community for more than two years? How many of the victims’ families are going to (or have already) moved away?
          * Are there any neighbors (other than Gene Rosen) who heard shots that morning? From the satellite picture, it looks like houses along Crestwood Dr. and Washington Ave. would have been plenty close enough to hear the very loud sounds from a Bushmaster being shot. (Easily audible up to a mile away.) Did they call 911 or what did they do? The same question can be asked about the neighbors of Nancy Lanza. Did anyone hear the shots that morning? Did they call 911?
          * Did anyone see blood on their children’s clothing or their shoes? Because of the layout of the school and the children saying they were told to close their eyes so they wouldn’t see anything, they must have been taken out past the areas where the shooting took place, especially the main front lobby where the principal and the counselor were shot. The velocity and type of bullet used in a Bushmaster would cause significant blood spatter so there should be hundreds of bloody footprints from the children and the staff evacuating the school and going out into the parking lot. Getting photos of bloody foot prints in the lobby would really be significant, but at least if parents of children who were evacuated could verify that there was blood on their children’s shoes, it would be an important fact.
          * You mentioned a child of someone you knew who lost their best friend. Did that friend’s parents appear on TV? Or were they one of the private parents? (This could help address one theory that the ones we saw on TV were actors and their children didn’t die. Only the ones we never saw had children that died.) Did that child attend Sandy Hook or another elementary school?
          * Did the school have surveillance cameras installed? You could see this from outside, if there were cameras outside, they most likely had them inside. And even if there were only outside cameras, they would have footage of Adam Lanza entering the building.
          * Try to find out who the 4th teacher was who supposedly was in that altercation with Adam Lanza the day before this happened. She’s the one who had a substitute and survived when her whole class was killed. If you find her, see if you can ask her what the altercation was about.
          * Try to find out who the wounded person was that they took to the hospital. Is there a reason that person has never been interviewed?
          * Who exactly has been allowed inside the building since the shooting? How many first responders actually went inside and saw what happened? Have they let anyone in since the shooting?
          * What is the square footage of the fire station? (How did it house at least 600 children, almost 50 teachers/staff, and between 600-1000 parents? Was there room inside for all those people since we have no visuals of them outside?)
          * It would be great if you could get a photo of the front door of the school that was shot out. I saw one video but it was hard to see if it was a door or a window that was broken out. The opening didn’t appear to be big enough for someone to go through (it was in the middle and only about a foot and a half wide by maybe 2 feet tall, but again, it was very hard to see).

          Those are the major questions I can think of tonight. I really do hope your visit there could provide some solid evidence one way or another on this incident, but it needs to be evidence, not third-person hearsay. To be acceptable evidence (like it would be used in a court), it has to be a first-person witness. If they say, “So and so told me…” then that’s just not court-admissible evidence. If they say, “I saw, I witnessed, I was there,” then that’s evidence.

        • Manny,
          I can only add oone more thing. Find out whatever you can about what the Newtown cops found at the scene. Were there handgun casings all over the floor, as they origionally said or was it actually rifle casings the the story was later amended to after the feds arrived? You pointed out earlier that one of the cops was out of action afterward. Perhaps he is back in the picture now. I have noticed recent media stories that refer to Sandy Hook have started to omit the assault rifle theme. I suspect they are trying to distance themselves from the lie now that Feinstein has introduced her ban (mission accomplished).

        • “Were there handgun casings all over the floor, as they origionally said or was it actually rifle casings the the story was later amended to after the feds arrived?”

          Good point, RickA. I saw an article just today that said there were “over 100 casings.” An odd way to describe it unless it was barely over 100 (otherwise it’d be more news sensational to say 150 or 200). And if it was about 100 then, 26 people x 3 shots each = 78, which only gives 22 (or so) extra shots to make those “11” Carver talked about (excluding any misses…because we know Lanza was such a dead-eye shot, even though he’d never shot a gun before…lol).

          Btw, it would also be good for Manny to look for a 3rd grader named Tori Chop, who said, “That’s what we heard over the loudspeaker. We heard kids crying. We kept hearing gun noises and ‘put your hands up’ … we kept hearing that.” I’d be very interested to know which kids she heard crying when the kids were shot in the classrooms and there’s no way you’d hear that over the PA system with a mic in the office. Also, who was the gunman telling to put their hands up AFTER the “gun noises”? Or was he just running down the hallway yelling for the non-existent people he met to put their hands up? (And if these were going on out in the lobby, how did the mic from the PA system pick it up? I’ve never seen a school PA mic that was THAT sensitive!)

        • For what it may be worth, Wikipedia is claiming that 3 guns were recovered at the school, 2 handguns and the Bushmaster. The report explains that the rifle was found with a (one) 30rd magazine. a significant amount of ammunition was also recovered. Missing, of course, is all those other 30rd. magazines????? Lanza couldn’t have pulled off over 100 rounds in 15 minutes if he had only 1 30rd mag. The story just gets fishier all the time.

        • I hadn’t read the Wikipedia entry yet. Hmm, amazing how it wiggles things around to make them all fit together (I’m noticing specifically the Gene Rosen case), doesn’t it? According to it, Lanza only fired 50-100 rounds. That’s a pretty wide number span, and yes, even the statement by Lt. Vance says it was ONE 30-round magazine. So, Carver says all 26 victims were shot more than once (at least 52 shots) and one was shot 11 times (a minimum of 62 shots). How do you shoot 62 times with 1 30-round mag? There is no “s” at the end of the word “magazine” on the CT Dept. of Emergency Services and Public Protection page.

          Am I reading this wrong? Is it maybe gun-lingo that I’m not familiar with?

          Seized inside the school:
          #1. Bushmaster .223 caliber– model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
          #2. Glock 10 mm handgun
          #3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

          Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
          #4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

        • It’s just crazy how Nancy Lanza, this suburban house wife so to speak, had such impressive weaponry. Not just the brand names, but quality weapons that can deal out a good amount of damage if need be. Were talking about close to $4000 just for those weapons listed. I gun collector could be so lucky to have such weaponry in their collection.

        • “It’s just crazy how Nancy Lanza, this suburban house wife so to speak, had such impressive weaponry. Not just the brand names, but quality weapons that can deal out a good amount of damage if need be. Were talking about close to $4000 just for those weapons listed. I gun collector could be so lucky to have such weaponry in their collection.”

          From the reports, money was not a problem for her. Her ex-husband gave her a very generous amount to live on so it’s very possible she had those weapons and possibly more. I don’t believe CT has a gun registration law (yet, but they’re pushing for it now!) so I’m not sure how they are certain all these weapons belonged to the mother. If I were the maker of the Bushmaster, I’d want some real proof that 1. it belonged to the mother and 2. it was actually used in the shooting. If they couldn’t be provided real proof that it was used, I’d sue the govt or the media or Lt. Vance or ME Carver or whoever for putting a blackmark like that on my product. I’d need visual proof of some kind, not just their word for it.

        • I’m not sure how they are certain all these weapons belonged to the mother.

          And since the Feds raided the gun store where the Bushmaster was purchased, and made off with all the records, we never WILL know who actually purchased the gun. (We won’t even know if it was purchased before or after the event occurred)

        • “I’m not sure how they are certain all these weapons belonged to the mother.

          And since the Feds raided the gun store where the Bushmaster was purchased, and made off with all the records, we never WILL know who actually purchased the gun. (We won’t even know if it was purchased before or after the event occurred)”

          I am amazed over and over at how much they expect us to take on faith. “Proof? We don’t need to give you no stinkin’ proof! Our word is all you need.” :P

        • I wonder how they’re going to work this guy into their storyline, especially if he stole the Bushmaster before Adam could use it. Btw, don’t know if you’ve seen this one, but Adam Lanza played a pretty neat trick on December. 14. He raised from the dead, shot everyone the day after he died and then killed himself a second time. Check out the Social Security Death Index date of death. December 13. Can we say, “Ooops?” LOL

        • especially if he stole the Bushmaster before Adam could use it.

          I had not thought of that angle but an interesting idea.
          When I read this article from the UK Guardian, I couldn’t help but be reminded of when BATF ordered gin dealers in Arizona to allow weapons purchases to people who could never legally buy one (Fast & Furious). Every gun store I have been in has some pretty tight security. They HAVE to because any gun they loose will be their responsibility when it shows up in a crime. The idea of some guy walking out with a .50 cal right under everybodies nose just doesn’t pass the smell test. The “offical” Nancy Lanza Bushmaster did come from this gun shop, but it wasn’t purchased by Nancy Lanza. (the fact that there was only one magazine is the give away that the gun was planted long after the fact)

        • I kind of figured you weren’t switching prohibition discussions in mid-stream. :) So, Nancy Lanza actually did own a Bushmaster? Or was that stolen gun the Bushmaster she supposedly owned?

        • The whole idea behind owning any AR is that you can switch to a fresh magazine in a couple of seconds. If Nancy Lanza was a prepper who felt she needed a Bushmaster you can be sure she stocked up on Magazines. Now the storyline has to be, “I.m gonna take mom’s Bushmaster and shoot up lots of people, I’ll load up all this gear and ammo, but just bring along one magazine.” This story is starting to make the Youtube video excuse sound reasonable by comparison.

        • Maybe he just didn’t have room in his (now) olive green fishing vest to put another magazine. So where exactly did he put all 600-700 rounds of ammo? They said he had plenty to kill everyone in the school. How many pockets does a fishing vest have anyway? Think there’d be room for that many rounds?

        • He had one a dem special Hollywood gawns, make de powder, smelt and form da case, the boolit, den fit all tahgedder, feed it in, has endless boolits, battery included, $19.99, but money back no …

        • I also read somewhere that Adam spoke to us from beyond the grave and told us he planned to head on over to Walmart and shoot some more folks after he finished his business at the school house. Did you hear that? Recall where that message came from? Perhaps the same spirit that removed the AR and safely locked in in the trunk after dead Adam was finished with it.

        • Does anyone else find it ironic that we have not seen any photographic images of the scene or victims “out of respect”, yet still when 230 people burned to their deaths yesterday at a club in Brazil they plastered horrible, gruesome pics online immediately? I guess those people don’t matter, right? After all they weren’t even American….smh

        • John, that’s pretty much the question I’ve asked about them saying how they are “respecting the families’ privacy.” Yeah, right, when has the media ever respected anyone’s privacy to that degree? In a city just 30 miles from here there was a guy killed a week ago Friday and they had the camera in the faces of the guy’s neighbors and on Monday they interviewed his wife (complete with red eyes, no makeup, and real tears, amazing how people grieve that way!).

          Don’t you think in this day and age there’d be people with cell phones out trying to get photos/video of what was going on? I’m sure in the near future, there will be some videos surface from the Brazil club. It’s just unrealistic to expect us to take their word that people died when we have seen nothing to prove their claim. (And more and more all the time that contradicts that claim!)

          This is what struck me when I contrasted this school shooting with Columbine. The video and photographic evidence is quite stunningly different. The interviews with kids on the scene (high school kids, mind you) are from trembling, tearful, scared kids who just lived through something terrible. The interviews with the elementary children at Sandy Hook are calm, reserved, and sound rehearsed.

          There are tons of photos from Columbine, photos of grieving students, grieving parents, tearful reunions when parents find out their children are alive, students with blood on them, students evacuating the building. But from Sandy Hook, we have a scant handful. No blood. Not even bloody footprints, as someone here pointed out there should have been if they were walked out through the lobby. No photos or videos of glass shot out of classroom windows.

          Those things in and of themselves should make people question things. There should be tons of official and unofficial evidence, but we see virtually nothing. Very suspicious to me.
          (I tried posting this earlier and it wouldn’t go through so if it does twice, sorry about that.)

        • It would explain the shouting, “keep your hands up!” Lanza needed to get everybody to stand still and stop squirming around while he reloaded his one magazine. “Hold on, I’ll shoot you in a second. Damnit Mom! Why didn’t you buy some more magazines for this stupid Bushmaster?”

        • “It would explain the shouting, “keep your hands up!” Lanza needed to get everybody to stand still and stop squirming around while he reloaded his one magazine. “Hold on, I’ll shoot you in a second. Damnit Mom! Why didn’t you buy some more magazines for this stupid Bushmaster?”

          LOL, yep, that’s why. Kind of irritating when you have to stop after 30 shots and reload the whole thing. You’d think someone could have jumped him while he was doing that. LOL

        • Filling up a box magazine with 30 rounds takes some time and 2 hands. You can’t be holding a Glock and a Sig and a bushmaster and load a 30 rd. mag at the same time. everybody had LOTS of time to bolt for the exits. Then again, maybe he had one of the kids hold his guns for him while refilling his ONE mag. NAH! He couldn’t a done that. Too dangerous!

        • Oh, he probably just put the Glock and Sig Sauer in the pockets of his “olive green utility vest” they are now claiming he was wearing instead of body armor. It’s like watching a novelist working on their novel. They put down a rough draft then when their critique partners read it, they find logical inconsistencies so the writer goes back and fixes those, then another reading finds more inconsistencies so they have to fix those. Seriously, I do less rewriting on my stories than they’ve done on this one.

      • Don’t worry RickA when I have finished my interviews and research I’ll be back to shove it right up your ass – since I know it won’t make in your ears

      • The person who was shot and went to the hospital’s name is Hammond. She was in a meeting with the principal, school psychologist, a parent, and someone else, probably a teacher. She is referred to as the vp, or head teacher. She went out into the hall when the initial shots were fired, and was the only one who came back. This is according to the parent, about whose child they were meeting. Hammond came back in, and blocked the door with her body. She was either shot in the hall, or shot through the door because she was blocking it with her body, depending on which version you read.

        I look forward to learning the answers to these questions.

        I’d like to know who was the Kindgergarten teacher of these children.

        • “The person who was shot and went to the hospital’s name is Hammond. She was in a meeting with the principal, school psychologist, a parent, and someone else, probably a teacher. She is referred to as the vp, or head teacher. She went out into the hall when the initial shots were fired, and was the only one who came back. This is according to the parent, about whose child they were meeting. Hammond came back in, and blocked the door with her body. She was either shot in the hall, or shot through the door because she was blocking it with her body, depending on which version you read.”

          Stonetanya, thanks for giving me the name. I must have missed that. I heard the stories about being shot in the hall or through the door, but I never heard a name connected with it.

          As a teacher, what has really struck me as extremely odd is that we haven’t heard from the vice principal at all on this (or maybe I’ve missed it). Her name is given as “Cathy Mazzariello” on the SH school website (and yes, Hammond is given as the “lead teacher,” whatever that means). In the schools I’ve been in, the VP would be the public face of the school if anything ever happened to the principal. They make the statements about what is going on at the school and such if the principal is out of town or otherwise unable to do so. Even in such a case, I would have thought I’d seen at least one very early interview (on the day of, in fact) with the VP (normally the principal, but in this case, not possible).

          “Lead teacher” might be an elementary thing (I taught HS), but it’s not a term I’ve ever heard used in any of the schools I worked in.

          I’m still wondering why the only survivor of the shooting (except supposedly the child who played dead) has never been interviewed by anyone. Or were there two wounded survivors? The only real info about Natalie Hammond that I’ve found has been in this article and it states there were two wounded survivors.

          http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Sandy-Hook-survivor-s-wit-and-will-a-weapon-for-4125396.php

          And, of course, as with most of the victims and their families, they are conveniently being sequestered. “To protect Hammond’s privacy and that of her family, Sonski will not talk about her condition, prognosis or where she is being treated — her family is in a self-imposed seclusion due to the barrage of media that has surrounded them. Sonski said she knows only the barest details of what occurred.”

        • Is there an attorney perhaps, somewhere in all of this, negotiating with the networks and hollywood for the best deal they can get, sometimes, it’s all about money.

        • “Is there an attorney perhaps, somewhere in all of this, negotiating with the networks and hollywood for the best deal they can get, sometimes, it’s all about money.”

          A distinct possibility. But I’m seriously finding it hard to believe that out of 44 staff members at that school (I believe I counted 50 originally, but then take 6 out), that few have said anything of substance. We have Kaitlin Roig, who appears to be an actress, Maryrose Kristopik (I believe she’s had an interview), and the nurse Sally Cox (who isn’t listed as having a nursing license in CT). Why haven’t we heard a statement from the VP? Why haven’t we heard anything from any of the other teachers? Hard to believe they’d all be brokering some kind of Hollywood deal.

        • I think there is something fishy about that nurse – you would think she would know what if any role the mother played at the school but she gave out incorrect information. She hid for 4 hours?? Wow. Could not find the interview of Tori Chop. Not much being made of the “End the life of Adam” whispered on the police tape. Why would that be? Wouldn’t you think everyone would be all over that one?

        • Perhaps the “End the life of Adam” whisper was to change plans, to pin it on Ryan, not specifically to murder Adam, unless, he was being held captive. It’s an odd use of the English language, I think it might have been said by a person who was accustomed to using a grammatical structure closer to their native language?

        • I didn’t find an actual video interview with Tori Chop (although I think she appeared on Good Morning, America), I did find this on ABC’s page http://abcnews.go.com/US/newtown-elementary-students-heard-principals-screams-intercom/story?id=17983828

          Again, my questions are about the PA system. First, the school day starts at 9:05 am, so says the school’s website. Announcements are done immediately, not 25 minutes into the school day. Attendance is taken immediately, not 25 minutes into the school day (which negates the testimony of 2 students being grabbed and pulled into a classroom because they were taking attendance to the office). Whether the PA was on or not during the shooting had absolutely nothing to do with announcements so I don’t understand why they keep perpetuating that story.

          I can certainly understand someone putting it on, but I hardly think the principal would have done that as she ran at the gunman. The VP, maybe, but she is notoriously absent from any telling of this story (or at least I haven’t seen anything about her).

          As I said, a PA system wouldn’t have picked up screams from outside of the office itself. They’re designed not to be nearly that sensitive. (Can you imagine if they could pick up stuff like that? There’d be a lot of juicy gossip from that school if it was powerful enough to pick up things said that far away. lol) No children are mentioned being in the office itself so why would this girl describe hearing kids crying over the PA?

          I tend to wonder if the powers that be have little trolls on sites like this who keep track of all the questions we’re raising and then the official story is adjusted so it negates our questions. Now they’re saying he had no body armor because we raised the question of how could a 120 pound kid move very well at all carrying 90 pounds worth of body armor, guns and ammo? It seems like when we bring up some question, suddenly a new addition to the “official story” pops up that addresses it. I’m also still seeing things that are contradictory out there so perhaps we should spend some time on Wikipedia and put in references to all the contradictions, like the story of Natalie Hammond. Wikipedia gives the story of her being shot behind the door whereas CNN gives the story of her being shot out in the lobby.

          It is fishy indeed. After 22 years of teaching, I’m having a lot of trouble envisioning it going down like they are saying it did. If you can put a whole class inside a closet, how big are those closets?? I know they’re little kids, but do elementary schools really have closets that big? Mine was like 2 feet wide and a foot and a half deep. Not hardly big enough to fit an entire class. Sure, we had some storage areas, but they weren’t in the classroom like that. And why are all the windows I’ve seen in the various shots empty? Granted, I was a high school teacher, but I’ve been inside several elementary classrooms and without exception, they all had things on their windows. Not one window I’ve seen has had anything in it like you’d normally see. I live by an elementary school which is just off of our city park. When I take my dog for a walk past it, the windows have things on them, little pictures. All of the windows (okay, except for the principal’s office).

          Why didn’t he shoot up the office just for show to start off with? From what I saw of the lobby in some photos, it had lots of glass in it. That’d the perfect show of dominance and would instill quite a bit of terror. Plus, it’d be cool to watch the glass shatter. I can’t see a kid not doing that, especially one who might not be too familiar with how that gun works. He’d want to try it out and what better than to shoot big plates of glass and watch them shatter to the ground. Besides, that would be the perfect thing to start his “reign of terror” as he started his bloodbath. (Almost ever school I’ve been at since Columbine has big glass windows in their office so they can clearly see what’s going on in the lobby.)j

          And the school nurse is just not realistic to me. I searched the CT license database and found no nursing license of any kind for a Sally Cox. School nurses have to be licensed, yet there’s not even an inactive one listed so according to that database she never had one there. She is far too unemotional throughout her interview for having lost all those colleagues and students (and yes, I’m holding fast to my stand that even though people handle grief differently, her demeanor was completely abnormal). It’s also puzzling about the second-hand quote from her that a reporter stated that she knew Nancy Lanza and said she was a wonderful kindergarten teacher. Since I never actually saw Sally Cox say it, I don’t know if she did, but it seems odd that a reporter would make that up.

          I’d also be interested to find out if the Laura Feinstein listed as a reading teacher is any relation to Diane Feinstein. Just thought the name coincidence is odd.

          Btw, I discovered that Dawn Hochsprung only got her principal license in June 2012. Just in time to be principal at Sandy Hook. Hmmm.

          So many questions, so few answers.

        • And the newest development I found tonight is the Social Security Death Index has Adam Lanza listed as dying on December 13, 2012. I’d say Mr. Lanza performed quite a feat to die on Thursday then resurrect on Friday and go shoot 27 people before dying a second time. This is about up there with him killing himself then putting the rifle back in the trunk of the car. But I suppose they’ll just rewrite their story again to fix that inconsistency. Wonder how they’re going to do that, the ME office put the wrong date?

        • Adam Lanza’s death certificate is safely locked up with Obama’s real birth certificate and college transcripts.

        • Ah, in that bottomless pit where they will never be found, huh? But seriously, go to the SS Death Index at Genealogy Bank.com and you’ll see it says he died on December 13. You know, I’m starting to think they do this on purpose, make all these stupid mistakes, to discredit us. They put it up, get us talking about it, then they fix it and explain it all away making us sound like idiots for ever believing it in the first place. You know, one or two typos or mistakes I’ll take in an investigation. Heaven knows I’ve made my share of typos when I posted something online. But wow, the quantity of items is just piling up.

        • I am still amazed about the lack of curiousity over the “end the life of Adam” whisper on the police radio. I know the wording is not normal speech, but it can be heard clear as a bell. I thought it might have been a post hypnotic suggestion – any ideas from others about this?

        • It could have been a message to all operatives to “End the ADAM story”, and go with the Ryan Lanza story. So the “life of Adam” was code for the COVER story, of Adam. So they switch to Ryan, say they found his ID, arrest Ryan, but something didn’t work out, he had 15 alibis … so they swtich back to Adam at the last minute, or something like that.

        • I think the answer to that is pretty clear in the type of questions they’re asking our military leaders…will you shoot US citizens if you’re told to do so? The takeover is on its way. I think they’d hoped they could do it peacefully without people realizing it was happening, but when this ploy backfired and everyone started snapping up guns, they saw it was going to get bloody.

          Btw, love the way they call them “personal defense weapons” when the government buys them but they’re “assault weapons” when we want to purchase them.

        • apparently there is a big difference. A personal defense weapon is full auto while an assault weapon only fires semi auto.

        • I don’t think it’s that obvious the recording says that. Yes, it could say it, but maybe not. There’s enough doubt in my mind that I don’t think I’d focus on that so maybe that’s why it’s not something people are saying much about. Besides, Adam was already dead the day before, according to the SS Death Index. I personally don’t think Adam was involved in the shooting at all. I think he was already dead and someone else did the shooting (if there really was shooting).

        • I’d say Mr. Lanza performed quite a feat to die on Thursday then resurrect on Friday and go shoot 27 people before dying a second time.

          They were actually shooting the pilot for a new spin off of WALKING DEAD, called SHOOTING DEAD.

        • It’ll be interesting to see how they end up explaining this one away. Maybe they’ll say Adam Lanza had someone else’s ID on him. No, wait, they’ve already done that. LOL Btw, just for the record, that current photo of Adam Lanza is so very fake it probably doesn’t even need to be stated. People always stand in front of plain backgrounds and look straight ahead like a deer in headlights when their pictures are being taken. Yeah, right. Not to mention the smile looks like it was photoshopped on. Maybe it’s just the Zombie Apocalypse catching up to us. lol

  6. Reblogged this on tenandzen and commented:
    I am re-blogging this controversial blog written by James Tracy, an American professor who says there are some unanswered questions about Sandy Hook. The events were tragic and involved little children and so we were all in shock. But just like 9/11 there began to be unanswered questions. Let’s at least read this with an open yet skeptical mind. I do not think James Tracy is a crackpot like many have made him out to be. I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with his theories. You be the judge.

  7. The case has provided two new Orwellian nonsense phrases: “These issues are crimes” and “perpetrating this information.”

    “These issues are crimes. They will be investigated, statewide and federally,” he added. “Prosecution will take place when people who are perpetrating this information are identified. ”

    How can an “issue” be a crime?
    Since when does information get “perpetrated.” If the undesirable statements are incorrect why call them “information.” We normally consider perpetration an action; one can perpetrate a fraud (an action) or a hoax or a disinformation campaign; one cannot perpetrate data, facts, information.

    The public now accepts such vague nonsensical language — without question.

  8. Check out this image I made. This is a composite of the Black Honda from a long lens parked at the school, and 2 views of the resized 872-YEO plate superimposed on the first image. One plate is just resized and the other one is deliberately blurred to see how it looks beside the other two plates. Check it out here:

    Based on my work with that photo I have to say that it looks like a different license plate on the car at the school vs. the car on the tow truck.

    • So you are saying we were fed TWO different vechicles. I’ve seen aerial footage that shows the vehicle in the helicopter footage to have a BEIGE interior and trunk carpeting, not the dark material we saw in the night time “long gun” removal footage when the trunk was bathed in that high intensity white light.

    • He is an actor from new england actors’s association & owns a pet store place, further more where did the bus driver come from? Why drive past the firehouse & to this actor’s house? Some man talking to the children? A man? Strange?

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  10. Prof. Tracey,

    I have a few comments and questions that have been nagging at my better senses that you may be able to answer. Your opinion is greatly appresicated.

    I find it odd that the overwhelming information indicates the government wants us to know, blatantly, it was a false flag; Why? These people always move ahead of us, why are they doing this? Making fun of us? Provoking us?

    Once it is proven, more likely than not, that Sandy Hook is a false flag how will this information be used? I guess my question is can this information be used to hold those responsible for perpetrating a false flag against the American people, accountable? If so, how do the people pursue action?

    Thank you,

    Stacey

    • Yesterday there was a protest march held in DC. The protest was supposed to let congress know that the American people wanted them to stand up to the NRA and enact new gun control laws. All the media gladly showed up and gleefully reported “thousands” of protesters decended upon Washington to demand new gun control laws. While there were plenty of high vantage points along the protest route, there were no pictures showing the “thousands” of protesters. What limited video was released is all low camera angle shots showing no more than a handful of people. The one overview showing all the protesters being addressed by the assembled dignitaries shows no more than 200 people total!
      In April, 2011 Mayors agains illegal guns kicked off a national bus tour/protest to call for new gun control laws to address the claim that 90% of the guns used by criminals in Mexico were purchased in the US. The tour started in Miami. The same week, a whistleblower in ATF blew the lid on the adminsitrations scheme Fast & Furious where the feds ordered gun stores in border states to sell thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels. The protest tour vanished that same weekend and Obama’s 90% lie vanished along with it.
      A year ago, a citizen named George Zimmerman used his KelTec PF9 to shoot an attacker named Trayvon Martin. The media and professional race greivence industry hustlers worked with the administration to groom the official story, make all the travel arrangements for professional protesters to all arrive in Sanford at the same time and to get the media all lined up with their talking points. After a month of preparation, the media blitz went off all on cue. The goal was to call on state legislators to repeal Florida’s new “stand your ground” law which protected armed citizens from criminal prosecution for using their gun to defend themselves from an attacker. Liberals HATE the idea of citizens defending themselves, because we are all supposed to rely on government for our own protection. At first it looked like the firestorm might work, but then the truth started to come out. Trayvon Martin wasn’t an angelic little 12 year old seen in the widely distributed photo from the press packet. He was actually a thug suspended from school for drug dealing, theft and violence against others. Furthermore, it turned out George Zimmerman wasn’t WHITE. He was hispanic, and Obama needed every hispanic vote he could get in an election year.
      Fast & Furious was an attempt by the administration to actually create a crisis which would demand new gun control laws. That much involvement by Holder proved way to risky so they decided to piggy back on other events like planting a Bushmaster at Sandy Hook after the fact.
      Recall that the president has had one job in his life. He was a community organizer. What they do for a living is get people riled up to demand government DO SOMETHING. In Chicago, he could get away with anything he wanted without much resistance. On a national scale, their sloppy work gets exposed more easily, despite a forgiving media that gladly promotes any story he concocts, no matter how absurd (like blaming a terrorist attack on a youtube video).

    • Stacey: You have an excellent point, how will the admonition of the government that it was a hoax, how will that be used? Perhaps they will roll some heads and clean house, and put their people in, even worse people? Perhaps create a new oversight agency, revamp DHS etc … ? It can easily be used to the government’s advantage.

      • Another possibility is to distract people from the budget negotiations going on now? Doesn’t seem likely though since the people don’t seem to have any say. It seems like they are always providing fires for us to investigate and have us running around like chickens without heads, maybe so we don’t hone in on more important things like why are we in an unconstitutional war and why haven’t we brought the troops home. Or why are we using computer voting that can be broken into and votes changed (they didn’t have to use that kind). What about why they are only promoting military commanders who say they would shoot Americans “if necessary”?

        • These investigations and operations in and of themselves cost a GIGANTIC amount of money, so there is huge profit from every “angle”, both in the shadows, and in the light. They win coming and going, on the way up, and on the way down and everywhere in between, they STUFF their pockets with HUGE amounts of cash.

  11. Dr. Tracy, keep up the good work.
    I agree with posters who suspect the official story is intentionally full of holes.
    They know that most people will accept anything on the MSM.
    The holes are provided to let the critical thinkers know the heart of darkness is in control.

  12. Open your eyes people!! Set aside your emotions and knee-jerk reactions to dismiss anything that challenges the main stream media. There are SO MANY HOLES AND INCONSISTENCIES in the Sandy Hook story it’s amazing that the country as a whole doesn’t cry in outrage and DEMAND the truth come out. Anyone who dismisses this as “crazy” and a “conspiracy theory” without looking at the FACTS and HARD EVIDENCE, is either too lazy or to stupid to think for themselves. Keep letting the media do your thinking for you. I have been pouring over these facts and contradictory information for weeks now. The more I search for the truth and answers, the muddier this story gets. SANDY HOOK IS NOT WHAT IS SEEMS. To all the people who keep saying “you’re all nuts/assholes/whackjobs” etc., the only argument they wish to pose is that “we’re making this shit up” and “watch the news, IT HAPPENED!” What other evidence can you show me that this happened? Where is the surveillance video? Photos? BODIES??

    Where is Natalie Hammond, the other unnamed injured adult, and the little girl that “played dead” to survive?? Where are their statements? They are supposedly the only eyewitnesses to survive the shooting. Even more convincing than an eyewitness testimony would be VIDEO FOOTAGE of the events. Columbine happened back in 1999, and the footage of that shooting was black and white and grainy, but you could clearly identify the shooters. Video surveillance technology has come a long way, and supposedly, Sandy Hook Elementary was recently equipped with a state-of-the art security system and video surveillance. IF THEY WANT TO STOP THE CONSPIRACY CLAIMS SHOW US THE VIDEO. We don’t need to see the shootings, but show us Adam Lanza “blasting” his way through two glass doors. Show us.

    The people who are trying to get to the truth are posing valid arguments with factual data, and point to blatant contradictory stories coming from every direction of this case. All of the brainwashed sheepish masses who want to be spoon-fed the facts of this case only can say, “you’re crazy.” What else you got?

    To all those who say, “go talk to the parents,” I would love to. I would love to knock on doors in Newtown and do some “boots on the ground” journalism. However, Lt. Vance made it VERY CLEAR that anyone interrupting their “investigation” would be arrested. I live about 45 minutes from Newtown, in Westchester County, and I’m itching to take a drive into that town. Maybe grab a drink at “My Place” bar and be a fly on the wall. Everyone seems to know somebody who knows somebody who died at Sandy Hook, but no one I have come across knew any of the victims directly.

    It seems crazy to think that the government and media could work in tandem to pull off an elaborate rouse to fool the masses into believing this tragedy was real. I know it sounds crazy. It’s uncomfortable to think about. It literally turns your conception of reality upside-down. I am forever jaded because of this. But, I implore you. LOOK AT THE FACTS. If you can go through each detail of this story as being presented to us by the media and STILL BELIEVE IT, then fine. But, don’t make up your mind without looking at all sides. Don’t let the media to the thinking for you. Don’t let anyone for that matter. Decide for yourselves, but base it on evidence.

    • “I live about 45 minutes from Newtown, in Westchester County, and I’m itching to take a drive into that town. Maybe grab a drink at “My Place” bar and be a fly on the wall.”

      It would be interesting to get someone who will critically assess the situation into Newtown. I wonder how locked down they have things. Talking to the community people, though, isn’t really going to prove much because most of them are just going on what they’ve been told so they are not acting, but behaving out of their true belief in the official story (questionable as it might seem to us). Although a fly in a bar might not be too bad of an idea. Maybe someone would slip and say something they shouldn’t.

      I know CT gun laws are pretty strict, but it would be interesting to get someone with a Bushmaster to stand at the school and shoot it and place people around in the area to see just how far the sound would travel. I’m not at all convinced by the witnesses saying it sounded like “pop pop.” I’d think that gun would pack more walop than that, especially to a child’s ears who is just down the hall from the shooting. It would also be interesting to see video footage of the school, including the shot in front door or any video surveillance cameras that might be visible from the outside (I’m sure nobody is allowed inside).

      One of the biggest questions for me is, did anyone actually see a dead body? Even in the casket. There is one guy who has been posting on here under the name Manny and he claims to live very close to there. Supposedly he is visiting there now (I believe) and is going to look into things. He’s not, though skeptical about it. He wants to prove it all happened, just as we’ve been told.

      The key to finding any real proof from talking to people there would be to focus on people who actually witnessed something, not those who heard from someone that something happened. Direct witnesses would be a key factor, something we’ve not really seen except in the form of children or the questionable school nurse and a couple of teachers. I’m especially intrigued by the neighbor aspect since I think I’ve only seen one neighbor of the Lanza’s interviewed and he said clearly that nobody seemed to know them. What about the other victims’ families? How long had they lived there and how well do people know them? I know that some have only lived there less than 2 years and are suddenly “moving back home” to get away from the town. I’d like to know just how many of the victims’ families fall into this category.

      A big question would be just how many of the local first responders actually went inside the building and witnessed it first hand. I’ve heard reports that they were closed out from the start by the state and federal teams that seemed to show up before the local guys did. If the number who were first hand witnesses to the inside of the school was a very small number, then it’s quite possible they were merely working off a script.

      It’d really be interesting to get a hold of a teacher’s handbook to see what their emergency procedures were. (Every year teachers are given a handbook and it has all their emergency procedures in it. At the schools I was at, it was a 3-ring binder where they could easily take pages out or put new ones in as it was updated each year. At the end of the year, we’d turn it in as we checked out, then we’d get it again in the fall.)

      As we comment on things here and raise questions, the perpetrators of this event are cleaning up their tracks. We question something, then they rewrite the official story to explain it away or they do something to fix it.

      If you visit there, let us know how it goes.

      • Hey calkbrd, there was a NYT article with an interview with some of the first responders a few days ago. It was interesting in that they talked about how loud the gun shots were, where they entered the school, which rooms they entered first, and so on. I’ll see if I can find it, or just go to NYT and type in Newtown first responders.

    • “I live about 45 minutes from Newtown, in Westchester County, and I’m itching to take a drive into that town.”

      Dani D., one person has claimed that the Sandy Hook area of Newtown used to be a seedy part of town until about 2 years ago (2010) when they suddenly did a remake of the area, redoing store fronts and basically giving the whole area a huge (expensive) facelift. This person also claimed many old, established businesses were run out and new ones replaced them. I’d be interested to see if you visit Newtown maybe you could dig up something to either support or contradict this claim. His theory is that the Sandy Hook area (which as I understand it is a borough separate in governmental structure from Newtown itself) might have been purchased and made into a very large theatrical set to stage something like this in. It’s hard to imagine an entire town like this (he likened it to the fake city in The Truman Show), but one FEMA document seems to indicate that the Sandy Hook fire station itself was used several times since 2010 as a training facility where they would stage drills of various kinds to train responders. If it was to be a type of training town, then perhaps that might explain where the funds came from and why it was done. (This also might explain why all the real activity was up at the station and not at the school.) This person claims the town did some major remodeling in 2010 with some new influx of funds after struggling financially for the 10 years prior to that. If you’d happen to visit, you might ask some more established residents discretely if the area has always been as picturesque as it is now. If they launch into some story about a major facelift for the town in 2010 or 2011, see if you can find out where Sandy Hook got the funds.

      • If I had the opportunity, I would go into a project like this, a field project like this either in a wheelchair, or as a blind person, and just hang out at a coffee shop or something, or … I’d go in as a person of means who might want to open something like a counseling center for recently released prisoners, from their big prison facility, cook something like that up.

        • I really wish someone would do something like that. It’d be great if someone with the necessary skills would break into the school and shoot video. It’d almost be worth it to spend a little time in jail just to get proof that they’ve lied about this. Ah, for the good ol’ days when there were real reporters who thrived on doing just those things so they could find the real truth about a story! I don’t think there are any of those left anymore.

        • I’m sure the entire school has been gutted thoroughly and scrubbed clean by now. They are probably knocking the walls out with sledgehammers as I type this, now the parking lot, measuring key distances and markings in the parking lot, that’s powerful.

        • That was probably the plan from the start, to tear down the building. I’m trying to think how I’d react “if” it really did happen. Hypothetically, as a teacher, I’d find it really hard to work there again, with memories of colleagues who had been killed and what happened that day so maybe I’d be in favor of tearing it down just from an emotional point of view. So I guess it’s logical for the community members to think about tearing it down.

          I think the puppetmasters of this event are very well versed in reading human nature. They assume the majority will decide to tear it down so they’re probably just sitting back and waiting to let things play out, but probably also holding some trump cards just in case the will of the people goes contrary to their will. Ironically, as well versed as they are in reading human nature, the puppetmasters miscalculated about the whole gun thing. I don’t think any of them foresaw the extreme surge in gun acquisition as a result of this, but it was a national phenomena so they couldn’t contain it. A major blunder of theirs, thank goodness.

      • And a fake set and fake fighting to alter the course of the war against Libya: Watch this interview with Webster Tarpley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuug54iIs40

        2 minutes in he explains about the faked Libyan Green Square built as a Hollywood set in Doha, Qatar. The first 2 minutes he explains the other government/media fakery.

        And here are links to two of the detailed analyses of the fake Green Square set and broadcast from there by Al-Jazeera.

        http://stopwarcrimes.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/al-jazeeras-fake-green-square/

        http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread744969/pg1

      • St. Rose of Lima also hosts the Catholic Church, which would be in session on Sunday. So, the satellite images were taken on SUNDAY in my opinion. ASSUMING the pictures where even taken in the same day.

  13. Would someone clarify about that family photo of the Parkers? I read it was taken four years ago. Is that a proven fact and if so, how is it proven? It seems to me that one thing alone is enough to show this is fake and surely someone could use facial recognition software to prove one way or the other whether the child on Obama’s knee is the same as the one in the photo or the little sister. Although as has been mentioned she would be too old to be in K-3. They did say which class she was in, but is it possible to blame that on more “reporter error”? What is the age difference between the sisters? This is the most important evidence, IMO.

    • I hadn’t heard about the picture being taken 4 years ago. Do you know where you heard/saw that? I’m not sure how anyone would prove it unless they had the original data file. It would probably have a date stamp in there somewhere (but I’m not sure if photos carry that with them). I’ll have to look into that with my photo program. Which photo are you referring to, the one where she’s wearing the red/black dress or the one where they’re outdoors?

      I don’t know the age differences in the girls, but it should be somewhere if you google it.

      The most effective video I’ve seen is one where they superimpose the family photo over the one with Obama and then fade out the family photo. It is pretty clear it’s the same girl, same cheeks, same smile, everything.

      Sorry I can’t be more help. I’ll check that about the photo to see.

      • I hadn’t heard about the picture being taken 4 years ago. Do you know where you heard/saw that?

        The line about the family photo being from 4 years ago was a ploy to cover-up Emelie Parker appearing in a photo with Obama 3 days after her death. The explaination is that the girl in the Obama pic is Emelie’s younger sister who is now 4 years older than she was in the family photo so she looks like her older sister, Emelie. And her mother dressed her in her sisters same outfit too. The problem, of course, is that if the younger sister is now 4 years older than she was in the family photo, then Emelie would also have to be 4 years older than she was in the family photo. That would make Emelie between 9 and 10; and either in kindegarten or first grade (depending on which story you hear about Emelie Parkers grade level).
        This particular photo comparison is what has got Obama and the media so spooked. This is the smoking gun that Obama is in on this himself, with no plausable denialability. Here he is in a picture with the supposedly dead Emelie Parker, laughing and joking around. Releasing this photo was a monumental blunder by the administration. This is the main reason for all the attacks on anyone daring to question anything about Sandy Hook. These two pictures bring the responsibility all the way to the top.

        • Has anyone looked at the Christmas Card here http://www.abqjournal.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/a01_jd_17dec_emilie1new.jpg Let me know if you can’t access it. It was posted by friends where they lived for a year before moving to CT. The friend, btw, said he was a physician’s assistant, not a dentist as I read somewhere. While I admit his behavior in front of the cameras was bizarre, I have become convinced of two things at least: 1) Robby Parker is the real father of these girls including Emillie 2) I am 98% sure it is the sister with Obama due to the lack of the brownish hair streak. She would be about this age and size. This leaves many other questions in my mind, not the least of which is whether Emillie is actually dead, but I feel pretty sure that isn’t her with Obama.

      • I am talking about the picture where Emilie is wearing the black & red dress. I saw a video that was pretty convincing that the outdoors one was photoshopped to put Emilie in it.

        • Okay, here are my thoughts on the whole photo being taken 4 years ago. Totally impossible. As someone pointed out, it would make Emilie far too old. The sisters are 3 and 4, according to an article I found, so that would make them 7 and 8. This would mean it wasn’t the oldest daughter killed in the shooting, but the youngest. So, basically, absurd.

          The hair part is quite significant between the girls, but it’s not completely foolproof. The photo with Obama is not close enough to be able to zoom in well enough to examine it closely. In the original family photo, all 3 girls have distinctly different hair parts. I talked to a hairdresser friend just a few days ago and asked her about hair parts. She said that the natural part in anyone’s hair will always stay the same for your entire life because that is just how the hair grows. She also said children’s hair is so fine that it tends to fall in that natural part, even after you’ve parted it otherwise. Longer hair, though, will tend to stay parted unnaturally because the length will weigh it down.

          So, while we can make a case that the natural parts of the 3 girls seem to be very different (Emilie with a part on her right, middle sister’s part is on her left, baby sister’s part is in the middle), in the photos that were part of a slide show shown at the funeral and that was on the Emilie Parker Fund FB page until it was removed, Emilie’s part did switch around a bit. However, one thing remained the same throughout. There is one little wisp of her hair at the front that jogs over more toward the center than the rest. Neither of her sisters have this and, although it is difficult to see, it does appear to be there in the child with Obama. In other words, the part is not clean and straight. It has a very small piece in front that parts closer to the middle of her head than the rest of the part.

          As for photos having the original date embedded, I’m not an expert in that, but I can tell you that I downloaded a copy of that family photo today and the date attached to it in my photo program said today’s date. Unless you had the original photo, I think you would probably have a very hard time determining anything from the date that might be attached to it. You wouldn’t know for sure if that’s when someone downloaded it onto their computer (which could be skewed if someone had the dates on their computer set wrong) or if it came with the original photo. Perhaps someone with professional grade photo software might be able to find the real date on a photo that’s been passed around, downloaded and uploaded several times, but mine isn’t capable of that.

          Could it be the 4 year old middle sister with Obama? I suppose so, but I don’t think it’s likely. I’m not fantastic with faces either, but when you put the family photo of Emilie side by side with the girl in the picture with Obama and get their faces about the same, I think the features are too close to be a different child. The best way to do this is to put the child with Obama’s photo in the middle and then put Emilie’s photo on one side and the middle sister’s on the other side and compare the 3 photos side by side. The smile, chin, cheekbones and eyes look much more like Emilie’s than her sister’s.

          It would be interesting if someone had face recognition software to try on it and see which one gives more of a match with the girl in the Obama picture.

        • Btw, while it’s easy to focus on the blonde girl in the red/black dress in the Obama picture, I think more people ought to look more to Obama’s left. The boy looks very much like Jesse Lewis, especially his smile. According to the stories of the victims, Jesse had a 12 year old brother, but no other sibling. Jesse’s smile in the picture with his faced squished against his dad’s face is quite distinctive. The boy in the photo with Obama has exactly that same smile. It would be odd to find two children about the same age in that small town that had the same type of distinct smile, especially when Jesse’s only sibling was significantly older.

          And just something that has always nagged me about the Emilie Parker pictures out there, has anyone else noticed how many of them appear to be professional shoots? I do a bit of photography and as I watched the slide show of her, almost all the shots were far too perfect with lighting and composition to be just off the cuff home shots, unless one of her parents is a semi-professional photographer. There was one of her with her toes in the water (ocean, large lake) and the reflection on the water plus the composition had to have been professionally done. In fact, almost every photo of the 3 girls together in that slide show (except like 2) looked professionally taken. Made me think more of a model or actress’ portfolio photos than home pictures of your kid. A handful could pass as home photos, but the great majority had a very professional look to them. Wish I’d captured that slideshow. Can’t find it now. I was going to ask a couple of my photography friends if they saw the same thing I did.

        • I did some serious face marker analysis, and comparisons of the very few images of Jesse available and the Obama picture, that we have TWO individuals there, not just one, that we are concerned with, that’s TWO data sets, so the probability that it was either faked, or … they never were killed goes up significantly.

      • Although I am “face blind” I did notice a difference between the girls’ hair. Emilie has a dark streak on her right side and her sister has pure blond hair, no streak. I went back to the Obama picture and it looks to me that the girl with him has pure blond hair, no streak. Based on that, I have to conclude that is, in fact, the sister. It may not fit with the “conspiracy theory” but it does fit with the search for the truth. Does not mean this was not a staged, false flag incident, only that perhaps, this child really is the sister.

  14. Chalkbrd, you’ve got some great analysis and are very articulate when speaking about all of the issues here. I appreciate your courage and your tact in addressing many of the questions/criticisms skeptics have. “Truthers” has been used in a derogatory fashion lately… Since when the truth a bad thing? We’re not the crackpot conspiracy theorists the media portrays us as, we’re just concerned citizens who care about their rights, and don’t put up with being blatantly lied to.

    That being said, I will keep you posted about any trips I make into CT and any findings I come across. From what I hear, the school is boarded up and blocked off. I’d probably just hang around local bars/restaurants/cafes to see what I find and see what the vibe of the town is like. “My Place” seems like the kind of bar where everyone knows everyone (like Cheers) so I’ll have to come up with some type of story if anyone asks why I’m there. I’m sure some thrill seekers/tourists have been flooding the town out of morbid curiosity, but that doesn’t help our case, because the locals will probably be more “tight-lipped” around people they know are not from the area. I’m coming up with something, and any ideas would be appreciated.

    • Dani D., you might want to read James Tracy’s post for today 1/28 on the main page of this blog. It might help you understand what you’d be up against if you visit there.

  15. Why was Victoria Soto’s memorial page set up on December 10th on facebook now changed to earlier in December? Why was the United Way for Newtown victims set up in advance??

    • “Why was Victoria Soto’s memorial page set up on December 10th on facebook now changed to earlier in December? Why was the United Way for Newtown victims set up in advance??”

      Freedom, the one created on December 10th was deleted. It was at http://www.facebook.com/RIP-Victoria-Soto . The three I found on FB all list as being created on or after Dec. 14.

      The United Way says they don’t know why it comes up like that, but that the content on their site regarding the Sandy Hook victims was definitely not added before the event. Supposedly they have some kind of website proof of that.

      To be honest, I’ve seen so many other problems with the whole Sandy Hook shooting thing that I wouldn’t quibble too much on these items. Computers can be weird about dates and times. I’d focus on the many, many other items that are far easier to prove definitively.

    • You can take a Facebook page and change the title while still retaining the original date of the original page. New page, same old date.

      • The sticking point with the FB page is that it’s different if you have a page with a specific URL. Once you get that URL, it won’t change. Again, I don’t believe this is one of the stronger issues. I’ve found other donation pages that were not on FB that had a creation date before the incident that I think have a stronger foundation for genuinely being created before it happened (not the United Way, but a couple of GoFundMe pages).

        The thing we have to remember is not to look at these things as individual incidents. We have to remember that any isolated “problem” doesn’t make a case. It’s when we take each of these individual suspicious things and start to put them together. As they pile up, they start to build a case.

        This is why they become suspicious, even though I don’t think you could use any one of them to build your entire case. The case is built by “coincidence” after “coincidence” after “coincidence.” One or two can be coincidence, but when you combine those with the rest of the “coincidences” you start to see the great volume of “coincidences” and they then become highly suspicious. You can only have so many coincidences in a row before they cease to be coincidences and become something more.

        Btw, I’ve made plenty of pages in FB and it’s just as easy to make a page from scratch than to take an existing page and make it over. Before all this came up, I’d never even though of changing one of my pages over to something else. I’d just make a brand new one. While it might be possible that the page started out differently and was changed over, I think it is highly unlikely that excuse is really the truth. When it comes to this whole Sandy Hook thing, I’m tired of hearing excuses. You can only excuse so much before the excuses wear pretty thin.

      • So you’re saying these pages were set up 4 days in advance and then retitled after the event finally transpired?

        • “So you’re saying these pages were set up 4 days in advance and then retitled after the event finally transpired?”

          That is a possibility as long as the number of people who have liked the page is less than 25 (I think that’s the number). When you reach that number, you can make your own URL (as long as it’s not used by someone else). So, it is possible that this person made a page and only had a few people who liked it, then the shooting happened and they changed everything to RIP-Victoria-Soto and reached the 25 so they could name the URL that. In this way, the original date on it could possibly be earlier than when it was converted over to the memorial page. I know you can’t get a specific URL unless you have the minimum 25 likes. In other words, you can’t create a page that is at http://www.facebook.com/RIP-Victoria-Soto. You’d have to create a page, get at least 25 people to like it, then get the URL.

          Like I said, it would be shaky to build a case on the whole “date” thing because there are ways of changing dates (most likely several I have no idea about). If this were the only issue, I’d say it’s not nearly enough to say something fishy is going on, but it’s not by far the only thing we have. There are far too many other things and they all help to build the case very well.

      • Hey Rick, I hope you find this. There was no place for me to reply next to your reply. You wrote “so you’re saying that these pages were set up 4 days in advance and then retitled after the event finally transpired?”
        Unfortunately, hackers have always had the ability to hack in and co-opt people’s pages. As I wrote below (or above, wherever this post ends up!) look at what just happened to NYTimes thanks to China. For me, it seems more plausible to consider that these pages are the result of hackers’ ruses, rather than the result of some players – whose sole job it was to set up memorials, etc., AFTER the event – who were so derilect in their responsibilities that they inexplicably thought the event had occurred before it actually did. I would also think that they would have scrambled like hell to remove the pages immediately upon realizing their blunder. The fact that these web pages were up post 12/14 gave me pause.

  16. Watched Gene Rosen again and some questions arose: how did the woman with the frozen face hear there were 6 kids there? He knew to take her to the firehouse, yet not the kids? Wouldn’t you think the first thing he might ask was “Who was that man?” (yelling at you) Can someone answer my questions about the family photo I posted above?

  17. Chalkbrd, “Hypothetically, as a teacher, I’d find it really hard to work there again, with memories of colleagues who had been killed and what happened that day so maybe I’d be in favor of tearing it down just from an emotional point of view. So I guess it’s logical for the community members to think about tearing it down…”

    Although that’s a valid point, I can’t think of any other tragic event that resulted in an entire building being torn down and rebuilt for emotional reasons rather than structural damage. I find it a little suspicious. Maybe they could tear down or demolish the entrance and the two classrooms where the killings supposedly took place, but the school is sprawled out, and it wouldn’t make sense to get rid of the whole thing. Columbine, Virginia Tech, the Aurora Movie Theater all were given the necessary repairs after the shootings there, but all are up and running again. They weren’t wiped off the face of the earth.

    A story about Columbine reads,
    “The broken glass had to be swept up and replaced. The bullet holes had to be plastered over, and everybody had to go on.
    Since that April day in 1999, nine classes have walked through its replaced glass doors, and out again.”

    Read more: Columbine: Memories at every turn – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/columbine/ci_12174854#ixzz2JOGc1zJy

    I have a feeling the reason they want to tear down the school is because there will be a lack of physical evidence that supports the official stories. People will want to recreate the crime scene, and when they see a lack of bullet holes in the walls, blood stains, etc., they will begin asking questions. Also, perhaps the timeline of events will not make sense when someone tries to do a walk through of the crime. Who knows what you’d find, but by tearing down the entire school, they’re ensuring that no one will ever find it.

    • It just occurred to me that Obama would come up with some excuse to get himself out of trouble if it is proven that is the real Emilie on his knee. What could it possibly be? Wouldn’t the story have made more sense if they said that the family photo was taken a year or so ago instead of 4?

    • The Amish school was demolished only 10 days after the murders and a new one built only a few yards away. John Wayne Gacy’s house was demolished by court order.

      I’m not saying their reasoning is to spare people emotional suffering (I do believe it’s to eliminate evidence), but it does happen. I know of a house near here where an elderly man killed his wife and then himself and it is still vacant years after it happened. It’s hard for people to get past a murder taking place, especially where you will be constantly reminded of it.

      Imagine a family living in a house where someone came in and killed two of their children. The family would most likely not be able to continue living in that house because of the memories it would bring them about the incident and would probably end up moving. In some ways, this is what it would feel like for a teacher. Granted, it’s not our home, but we get very attached to “our” room at school. It would be emotionally difficult not to think about that murder whenever you walked by that specific place. Yes, remodeling would help, but if you’ve been attacked, it’s hard to go back to that same place again. Even if it didn’t really happen but the teachers genuinely believe it happened (were unwilling and unknowing participants in a drill), they would have to deal with the fear of it happening again.

      You’ve heard of people who drive and are in a serious accident and then don’t want to get in a car for a very long time. It would be similar to this.

      One of the factors that would play into the decision would be how old the building was to begin with. If the building was older, they might decide it would be more cost effective to demolish the school and build a new one instead of spending so much money into renovating it and adding on additional space to replace what was part of the shooting. If it was a brand new building (which is why Columbine didn’t demolish and chose to renovate…although demolish was discussed), they might opt for the less expensive renovation.

      Again, I’m not saying they aren’t trying to get rid of evidence (or lack of it). I think they are. But as a teacher, I can understand the emotions of not wanting to walk back in those doors again. To be honest, I wondered about them putting all the old desks in the rooms at the new school and trying to make the classrooms look the same. I wouldn’t have done that. I’d have made it all look different so they wouldn’t have an association fear or flashbacks caused by the look of the place.

      One of the options I’m not ruling out is that it was a drill that had all the sights and sounds of a real shooting to the untrained eye and ear. It could very well be that the teachers and children from that school genuinely did hear or see things that made them think it really happened. If this is the case, then for them it would be a constant reminder of the fear they felt. Being in a shooting (even if it wasn’t real but you thought it was) isn’t the same as falling off a bike. You don’t just get back on and everything’s fine again.

      Kind of a convenient coincidence that they just happened to have this empty middle school down the road, wasn’t it?

      • Chalkbrd, kind of a convenient coincidence, but, in fact, true. I’ve checked City-data.com, greatschools.com, patch.com and the Wayback Machine.

        A patch.com article from Nov 2010 discusses the closing of Chalk Hill School http://monroe.patch.com/articles/should-the-town-mothball-chalk-hill-school

        If you put Chalk Hill Middle School in the Wayback Machine you get a long list of articles about the school closing, what to do with it, etc.

        http://web.archive.org/liveweb/http://monroe.patch.com/search?_utf8=%E2%98%83&keywords=chalk+hill+middle+school

        OF COURSE, the news media lie as a MATTER OF COURSE. USA Today said this about the move from Sandy Hook to Newtown:
        “The building is “in very good condition” and will handle the entire Sandy Hill program, Newtown officials said in a statement on the town’s website.”

        http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/16/former-school-is-prepped-for-sandy-hook-pupils/1773549/

        And even patch.com who did all the reporting on the closing of the school doesn’t mention its poor shape in its article about the move.

        Now check out this article from Dec. 2010
        “Chalk Hill Middle School needs new boilers, windows and other code and safety upgrades — improvements that could carry a $15 million price tag, according to Arthur Baker, the facilities director for the district…’And the school is crumbling from its foundation.’

        http://web.archive.org/liveweb/http://monroe.patch.com/articles/school-board-debates-chalk-hills-future

        This is why no one can trust mainstream media: they lie even when they don’t have to OR they are just too lazy to research the stories they are writing!

        Also a tad strange, is that the Chalk Hill School was prepared within 2 weeks for the children to start attending on January 3rd. Yet the building was in bad shape:

        “Among the building’s problems, Palmer said Director of Facilities Arthur Baker told her replacement of underground water pipes to the boilers can no longer be put off.

        “”We have to do that now or there will be no heating this winter,” she said. “That’s another reason why it’s a risk to stay in that facility.”

        “Palmer said the pipes continue to break and there is concern the boilers will blow. Forty-year-old single-pane windows must also be replaced, she added.”

      • Hi chalkbrd, regarding the pre 12/14 webpages, I hear you. I’m just pointing out that any social media via the Internet can be hacked into. Look what just happened to the NYT thanks to China. For me it seems more reasonable to assume (and that’s what we’re all doing here, btw) that these pre 12/14 sites are hackers ruses rather than the alternative assumption, which would be that, for some inexplicable reason, all these players just plain didn’t notice that the event hadn’t occurred yet.

        At the end of the day, FB, Google, and any other site would likely have all the specific timeline information for these pages. Seems like someone should check into that.

        • “For me it seems more reasonable to assume (and that’s what we’re all doing here, btw) that these pre 12/14 sites are hackers ruses rather than the alternative assumption, which would be that, for some inexplicable reason, all these players just plain didn’t notice that the event hadn’t occurred yet.”

          I don’t believe it has anything at all to do with hacking and I think that’s an unreasonable explanation for the page dates. I cannot say for sure whether this person truly created another page four days before this and then decided to rename it and re-purpose it when the event happened or if this person created the page as part of this “operation” ahead of time without knowing it would show the date it was created. If you were creating a drill scenario and wanted it to be realistic, you’d create pages like that to perpetuate it. In fact, the Crisis Actors site told how some of their actors would specialize in “social media.” (I’ve pondered that a lot because I really don’t understand why anyone would need to have actors dealing with social media of any kind of it was only a DRILL.)

          As I said, I’ve created a few pages in FB and I didn’t know until I started researching this that it would show the date you created it. I guess if I’d thought about it, I’d have realized it, but it just never crossed my mind (it wouldn’t affect my pages in any way whether it does or not).

          I’m not saying hackers can’t do it, but it’s unreasonable to assume anything unusual about Sandy Hook is the work of a hacker instead of part of the overall underlying plan behind it.

    • It really makes no difference, in terms of evidentiary procedure, whether the school is torn down or not. It some point all of the evidence will have been gleaned. If the school stays up, they will have to clean, plaster, and repaint, as they should. There will be no more evidence to be found at that point. The same, obviously, will hold true if they rebuild. Sort of a moot point. The fact that people wouldnt want to literally be in a position to have to relive the tragedy on a daily basis seems rather normal to me. I had just read that there was a rather lengthy debate regarding the future of the aurora movie theater. The owner chose to reopen it.

  18. I hope you have all taken time to write or call your senator and make it clear you do not want any more gun control. I know they probably won’t listen or pay any attention, but we at least need to try.

  19. Contributing 2 missing informations and clarifying one misinformation:
    – the chase into the woods may have taken place at afternoon
    (this can be verified by shadow analysis)
    – a man from Newtown may in fact not be a member of an actors guild
    although he may have been in action at 10:30 at the firehouse

    • ” the chase into the woods may have taken place at afternoon
      (this can be verified by shadow analysis)”

      If it took place in the afternoon according to shadow analysis then we have even more of a problem with the footage because I saw it on TV in the morning during the early coverage. If it was shot in the afternoon, it was NOT the afternoon of 12/14/12 because it was aired before noon on that date.

  20. I have been reading along here and very intrigued by all the information and comments here. The implications that this is a hoax is very frightening! I have been interested in all the conflicting information and have spent a lot of time reading sites, comments, youtube videos and such, and one can only conclude that there is something wrong about all of this. The medical examiner’s odd interview is what did it for me. On that alone it shows how fake it all is. I looked for images in google for Wayne Carver and you can see it isn’t the same man. Are there any videos of the real Wayne Carver out there for comparison? The guy they passed off on CNN is a complete idiot, very inappropriate and unprofessional. His demeanor is very suspicious. Someone needs to find the real Wayne Carver. There has to be more to that story. Also, about the Emilie picture– when someone commented that the ages didn’t match up and it would have to be the younger sister who died and that makes no sense– what about the Aunt’s comments (on a news interview) when she said something to the effect of Emilie’s “big sisters”? That seemed a bit odd of a comment from a family member. I don’t have the link to the video but I’m sure someone here has seen that. I don’t think we will ever have any real answers to all the inconsistencies, but there are far too many to just explain away.

    • I agree, we’ll never get the truth in this life. Also agree, there are too many inconsistencies to explain away. Anyone can see it, which is what makes some of them so angry. Anger is supposed to be a great cover-up, or something.

    • I feel paranoid, but suspicious that every time I come here my computer freezes up. Anyone else? Don’t know what pictures doesn’t look like Carver, I only saw from Sandy Hook. I lost the quote but he said basically that like more bacteria in water causes more people to get diarrhea, more guns cause more people to be shot. He is a big time proponent of gun control, the more the merrier.

  21. This site and another site, nodisinfo.com has the most reliable and thought out commentary that I have seen so far. I am sure most of the people here are familiar with that site. I find it absolutely amazing the eagle eye of the person regarding the photoshopped pictures that are still coming out. That alone tells you there is a massive cover up going on. I still don’t know that we will have resolution to any of this but there are many people like me who are weighing all the evidence and finding it to be very unsettling. All I can really say is that for me, this just underscores that we need to be spiritually ready because this life is not all there is. They can take away guns, freedoms, etc but no one can take your soul. Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, make your spiritual readiness your priority. That is what I am doing. God bless!

    • Some of the information on nodisinfo is perceptive but it seems to have a specific ethnic agenda – Anti-Semitic. If these trauma-scene connected people really are actors and actresses, do you really think the names they assume in “real life” are going to be any more real than their stage or crisis names????? Do you really think the first few layers of their personal will allow you access to their “True” name and reflect their True ethnicity? That seems like a childish assumption for somebody like nodisinfo who is SO asstute and has put so much effort into searching for anomalies, inconsistencies and lies. There is obviously an agenda going on with nodisinfo. The last thing we need is to wake up to one lie and run into the arms of another lie.

      • There seems to be a lot of Photoshopping going on according to that site. Maybe, but in the interest of truth, see http://www.abqjournal.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/a01_jd_17dec_emilie1new.jpg for the recent Christmas card pictures where you can see that the middle sister looks like, I believe, the girl on Obama’s lap. This was supposedly posted by a friend from Utah where they lived last year. Of course, its possible that it is a fake, but I don’t think so. “Yet the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent….the American citizen must hew to a line comprised of a little skepticism, a lot of knowledge, monumental faith, and an everlasting desire to get the facts. He must ascertain for himself what the facts are. He must accept nothing less than the facts— neither the majority version nor the minority version. He must view all the evidence until the face of truth is plain.” – J. Edgar Hoover

        • Did you see the obvious photoshop pic of Obama “shooting Skeet” yesterday? The way he has that 12 gagage against his shoulder, he is gonna be sore for days. Also note that skeet shooters aim their shotgun UP, where the target is, not to the horizon. And NO shotgun shell blows so much smoke all over the place since the invention of smokeless powder over 100 years ago.

      • My sentiments exactly, Angela. I am very skeptical of the information on that site because it is far too quick to ascribe blame for this to some global “Zionist” plot, and I’m just not comfortable with that.

        That’s not to say all of the info on nodisinfo is biased, but I think we have to view the site with the understanding of the inherent bias in it’s evaluation of the information it is finding. (Which is why I don’t think I’d equate it at all to this site and the information I’ve found here. As far as I have seen, people are posting on here mostly logical observations and conclusions they have come to without espousing any particular theory about the origins of this hoax, especially not Dr. Tracy.) I’m sure everyone has their pet theories as to who is behind this and why, but I think we do a great disservice when we focus on a theory instead of on the facts we have at hand.

        With that said, I found one piece of info I thought was interesting. The mother of Benjamin Wheeler used to work as the personal assistant to Maureen White, the finance chairwoman of the DNC, which appears to be the closest tie I’ve seen to directly connecting in this hoax with the Democrat party (other than the meeting Holder had with the governor and lt. governor and the “quiet” meeting he had a few days after the shooting with the first responders). http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/07/style/weddings-francine-lobis-david-wheeler.html As to be expected, this wedding announcement clearly says they both have a background in acting.

  22. As to the tape, don’t really know what to think. I came across this on YT
    Tom Sullivan 1 day ago
    I spent many years as a broadcast engineer and I can tell you someone has been cutting in clips on this as rabbit holes to lead everyone off to crazy town… I loaded this into soundbooth and compared it to another that I have from the 15th and some of the things like ” end the life of adam ” are punchins, well done but punchins all the same. The giveaway is visible in the waveform as variations in the background noise.·
    WHTT 2 days ago
    ” the entire CT State emergency communications system was ‘hijacked’ and ‘unplugged’ on December 14th., 2012, per an elaborate frequency change plan implemented merely 5 hours in advance on that morning, effectively supplanting and replacing normal police and EMS with FEMA / DHS ‘shadow’ command center personnel” Documented. Search the words in quotes to read article.
    To me the voice of the whisper sounds like the same as the previous speaker· Happened just as they were entering the school.

  23. In addition to the hundred or so questions that I have(that were not answered by the MSM investigative journaljsts, or the police/authorities) the one thing I dont understand is how the teachers/administrators perceived the actual sound of the rifle. From the timeline at 11:44 “half dozen thunderous rounds . . .to enter the school”) One might think this description is overdramatic- but I can assure you it is accurate, and this is when he is still outside ! Once inside the school, each round fired would be deafening. I once fired my AR-15 from inside my living room, through an open window, at a coyote that had just killed my last peacock(I lived WAY OUT in the country – no neighbors) Only one shot and I was unable to hear anything except a loud ringing for about 15 minutes and my hearing was only about 50% for the rest of the day. Throughout the accounts of what happened from those involved, we hear phrases like ” pop pop pop”, “we didn’t know what it was at first”, “sounded like someone kicking the door”, and my favorite, (I am paraphrasing) “I heard the fear/terror in my coworkers voice as she yelled out to warn me/us, AND I KNEW SOMETHING WAS TERRIBLY WRONG” B. S .! ! ! Unless she was 2 or 3 hundred feet away and behind several closed doors she did not hear anything over the rifle and the corresponding echo from each round, which was being fired at approx one round per second according to the official version. The other woman that called 911 would not have heard when the phone was answered on the other end, and who ever answered the phone would not have had to say “she said someone was shooting in the school” because she would have heard it for herself. I’m pretty sure someone with knowledge of firearms added the detail that Lanza had earplugs, otherwise he would have been deaf and not able to hear first responders coming so he would know when to shoot himself – – even though he was wearing body armor which would indicate that he was going to escape after he was done. My point, hearing protectiion is not optional unless you love hearing damage and bruised eardrums AND the survivors never heard an AR-15 being fired.

    • “Once inside the school, each round fired would be deafening.”

      I agree with you. The “pop pop pop” and other descriptions of the sound of an AR-15 are just not realistic. One person on here stated that the sound produced is 155 decibels, which is like putting your ear against a speaker at a rock concert. Not only would we have heard it in the background on the police audio, but the firemen at the fire station (a mere .3 of a mile away) would have heard it and been first on the scene. Neighbors behind the school could have easily heard it as well. Every “witness” they interviewed would have mentioned the loud sounds first and foremost because of the volume, even if you were in an enclosed classroom (classrooms are not nearly as soundproof as people think they are…you hear things from other classrooms through the ceiling tiles).

      “even though he was wearing body armor which would indicate that he was going to escape after he was done.”

      The latest I saw was that he was not wearing body armor but merely an olive green fishing vest. I think “they” modified it when we pointed out that a scrawny, non-athletic 120 pound kid (that’s the weight the ME said) could not have worn body armor (20-30 pounds in weight), carried 3 handguns and an AR-15 (15-20 pounds), and over 600 rounds of ammo (30 pounds) and still been able to move around.

      Not sure where in that fishing vest he put 600 rounds of ammo (enough “to shoot everyone” in the school). And, of course, now they are saying he had only ONE 30-round magazine. How he killed 26 people with at least 3 bullets each from that AR-15 when he only had one 30-round magazine with him, well, another crazy idea they expect us to believe.

  24. A couple of questions.. Was Adam Lanza buried, did he have a funeral? Has Dr Carver come out with his autopsies yet? or are they all going to be private. Anybody got any info on this?

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  26. Except that it’s not all that unrealistic that these families would choose to grieve privately, is it?

    It’s just a coincidence that the only subject they want to go public on is their calls for GUN CONTROL.

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