Sandy Hook: Free Homes and “Big Bucks” Incentives for Leaders and Players

By James H. Fetzer (with Wolfgang Halbig)

BREAKING NEWS! New Revelations expose the apparently corrupt motives of Newtown authorities and participants in the staged events at Sandy Hook, including free homes and a cut of $27 million (USD) in donations from a sympathetic but gullible public played for saps through the cynical manipulation of their subconscious fears.


New research on Sandy Hook reveals powerful financial incentives that appear to implicate the highest officials of Newtown in a conspiracy to fabricate the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting, which extends to survivors of the “victims” and other participants who played key roles in conveying the impression of a massacre of children at Sandy Hook.

In addition, a new player, Wolfgang Halbig, has emerged who by background, experience and qualifications–as a former Florida State Trooper, former school principal and nationally recognized expert on school safety–has brought a new level of expertise to sorting out the illusion, where he is convinced it was a sham and that no one died at Sandy Hook.

These incentives include real estate transactions, whereby valuable homes were deeded to Newtown’s three Selectmen and to other participants for the sale price of $0 dollars on 25 December 2009, which may be the only real estate transactions on Christmas in the nation day, where they constituted very special and high-value-at-no-cost “Christmas presents”. The “survivors” have already raked in $27 million in donations to split. And now we have a new report that 200 Connecticut State Police are going to be rewarded for essentially “doing nothing”.

This information is so extraordinary that, as a journalist for Veterans Today, I have written to Newtown’s Selectmen, Patricia Llorda, William F.L. Rogers and James Gaston, Sr., to either confirm or deny that they were among the recipients of these extraordinary gifts. I am awaiting their replies. And, for the rest, in their eagerness to cash in on the hoax, they seem to have posted a United Way donation request 3 days early.

Who is Wolfgang Halbig?

A former Florida State Trooper, who spent 36 years as a school administrator (including as assistant principal and principal) and a nationally recognized authority on school safety (who also served as an expert witness in the Columbine shooting case), has an impressive biographical sketch, which I am providing here. He is by far the most highly qualified expert to address the questions raised by the Sandy Hook “event”:

The exceptional interview by Dave Gahary with Wolfgang Halbig has been posted on the America Free Press YouTube channel, where it has been drawing rave reviews and, as they say, has “gone viral”, perhaps especially because he has been threatened with prosecution for raising questions with Connecticut state officials. How could anyone of his credentials be threatened simply for asking questions about Sandy Hook?

David Gahary interviews Wolfgang Halbig

To listen to the interview of Wolfgang Halbig by David Gahary, click
Wolfgang on YouTube here

The fascinating questions that Wolfgang has raised include, “Why were 26 small Christmas Trees behind the Sandy Hook Volunteer Fire Department on 14 December 2012 and decorated on 15 December 2012?” They do not have, say, 60 or 100 trees because, if they did, it would be obvious that they would be having a Christmas tree sale. But instead we see that they have just 26 small trees all by themselves. That would seem to suggest there was a plan to have 26 “victims” whose deaths were to be observed, but before the event to be commemorated had taken place.

As he wrote of the Sandy Hook Research Group and others, “There are so many of you who have dedicated so much time and effort in seeking the truth which the CT State Police and the Danbury State Attorney refuses to share reminds me of Nazi Germany and East Berlin were many of my family members lived and died. My father spend four years in a Nazi prison camp so I know personally that if you or we ever stop asking questions and stop challenging those in power we the people are no longer free and will no longer be safe.”

Letter to the Newtown Selectmen

It was astonishing to discover that very unusual real estate transactions had taken place on 25 December 2009, where the homes of 15 of the 20 Sandy Hook child victims, 1-2 of the 7 adult victims, and all 6 of the Sandy Hook adult non-victims (the Phelps, Gene Rosen, the three Selectmen) have the mysterious sale date of Christmas Day and $0 sale price. Although not gifted on that same date, even the home of Nancy Lanza, the purported mother of the alleged shooter, Adam Lanza, was bestowed upon her for $0 on 8 February 2011:

Nancy Lanza's home

Nancy Lanza’s home

Altogether, some 35 homes were “gifted” for $0, where the data base for home sales is a matter of public record. These stunning transactions are so extraordinary and potentially explanatory that they are even being featured on YouTube, where I expect that they will now begin to receive the attention they deserve. I decided to write to the three Selectmen of Newtown, all of whom were recipients of this remarkable largess, for their verification. I had originally sent my inquiry to the members of the School Board, but noticed my mistake and corrected it:

From:James Fetzer
Date: Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM
Subject: The strange purchase date and price of Sandy Hook homes
To: Patricia Llorda, William F.L. Rogers and James Gaston, Sr.
Cc: wolfgang halbig

Dear Newtown Selectmen,

This is to forward to you a message intended for you as well as the members of the Newtown School Board, since all of you have an interest in accurate and truthful reporting about Sandy Hook and such events as may have transpired at the elementary school.

I was struck by the recent article in which Selectman Llodra complimented the national press for its “respectful professionalism” in covering the observance of those events. Since I want to make sure I have my facts straight about a story that involves the three of you, I would appreciate having your comments on the article that I have just forwarded to the members of the School Board.

Thanks for a prompt response.


James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
McKnight Professor Emeritus
University of Minnesota Duluth

———- Forwarded message ———-

From: James Fetzer
Date: Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 1:17 PM
Subject: The strange purchase date and price of Sandy Hook homes
To: Debbie Leidlein, Laura Roche, Keith Alexander, John Vouros, David Freedman, Michelle Embree Ku, Kathy Hamilton
Cc: wolfgang halbig

Dear Newtown School Board Members,

While we are on the subject, I would like to invite your attention to an extremely disturbing article,

“The Strange Purchase Date and Price of Sandy Hook Homes”,

which I hope you can clarify for me because, as a journalist, I want to make sure I have things right. It lists some highly unusual real estate transactions on Christman Day of 2009, including these:

20. E. (Elin) Patricia Llodra, 70:

Llodra is the First Selectman and head of Newtown’s 3-member Board of Selectmen who supervise the administration of the town. Like the other two board members (#21 and #22 below), Llodra was elected to a 2-year term (12/1/2011 to 12/1/2013), which means the three were in charge of Newtown at the time of the Sandy Hook massacre. All three were recently reelected to another 2-year term (12/1/2013 to 12/1/2015).

A year ago, when I looked up Ellin P. Llodra on people search engines, her address was listed as 90 Riverside Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482.

VGS a year ago and today says Owner of Record: Robert M. & Ellin P. Llodra Ownership history: Sold to Robert M. & Ellin P. Llodra on 12/25/2009 for $0. Trulia has no price history on this property.

But when I look up Ellin Llodra on people search today, her address is listed as 3 Primrose St., Newtown, CT 06470, which is the address of the Newtown Municipal Center, and is owned by the Town of Newtown, with a sale date of12/25/2009 and a sale price of $0.

21. William Rodgers (2nd member of Newtown’s Board of Selectmen):

208 Hattertown Rd, Newtown, CT 06470 VGS says Owners: William & Moira Rodgers Ownership history: Sold to William & Moira Rodgers on 12/25/2009 for $0 Trulia’s price history: 4/22/1992 $362,000

22. James Gaston Sr. (3rd member of Newtown’s Board of Selectmen):

18 Main St., Newtown, CT 06470 VGS says Owner: Stephanie A. Gaston Ownership history: Sold to Stephanie A. Gaston on 12/25/2009 for $0 Trulia’s price history: 10/2/1992 $262,500

Frankly, I have never heard of anyone completing a real estate transaction on Christmas Day. The author summarizes his conclusions about these very strange transactions as follows:

“The homes of 15 of the 20 Sandy Hook child victims, 1-2 of the 7 adult victims, and all 6 of the Sandy Hook adult non-victims (the Phelps, Gene Rosen, the three Selectmen) have the mysterious sale date and $0 sale price.

“At the very least, that is interesting. The three Selectmen are especially interesting because if the hypothesis is that the massacre was a contrived event, then Newtown’s highest governing body would have to be “in the know.”

“Your guess is as good as mine as to what all those strange 12/25/2009 sale dates and $0 sale price mean. I’d appreciate input from readers of this blog who are in the real estate business and can shed some light of what the odd sale date and sale price mean.”

Since I am providing you with a link to this stunning article, whose contents you can confirm for yourselves, I would like to know if its author has anything wrong; and if his research is accurate, what in the world is going on? Homes in your area are extremely expensive. Why were you, the three selectmen, for example, deeded homes for $0 on 25 December 2009? Please do explain.

I will be publishing more articles about this and I want to make sure that I have my facts straight.

Thanks for a prompt response.


James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
McKnight Professor Emeritus
University of Minnesota Duluth

P.S. An interview with Wolfgang Halbig is now up on YouTube. You don’t want to miss it:

Newtown official thanks media for covering Sandy Hook

Letter to the Newtown School Board

Learning that all three of the Newtown Selectmen, including Patricia Llodra, had received homes for $0 dollars shed light on the whole bizarre Sandy Hook experience, where it became obvious in retrospect that her expression of appreciation to the main stream media for their “respectful professionalism” in covering the observance was really an expression of appreciation for covering up what had actually happened. When Wolfgang wrote to the School Board, therefore, I sent my own follow up:

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, James Fetzer < wrote:

Dear Newtown School Board Members,

As a former Marine Corps officer, retired university professor and especially as a journalist for Veterans Today, who has published several articles about the Sandy Hook event, I would like to have your response to what Wolfgang Halbig has addressed to you. Wolf is a former Florida State Trooper, a former school principal and a nationally recognized expert on school safety. Are you going to respond to his inquiries or will you pretend you never received them?

There are multiple indications that you, the Newtown School Board, have been participating in a cover up of what took place at Sandy Hook Elementary School. As we have observed in “Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook was an Elaborate Hoax” (with Vivian Lee, Sofia Smallstorm, James Tracy and other members of the Sandy Hook Research Group), the evidence is simply overwhelming that what happened was a carefully staged drill and not an actual shooting.

The questions that Wolfgang has raised are important ones, especially about the event itself but also about the building, which have been reported in articles that have appeared in the press, including “Widespread Haz-Mat Presence Would Have Hampered Sandy Hook Renovations” by John Voket (2 December 2013), which appeared in The Newtown Bee. And of course First Selectman Pat Llorda has been quoted thanking the press for its coverage of the Newtown event.

The questions that Wolfgang has raised about Sandy Hook Elementary School are obvious and elementary. As a journalist who has published and will continue to publish about this event, I want to be sure that I have my facts straight. So be sure to include me in your response to Wolfgang. And if you were not participating in a massive hoax to mislead the American people, inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks for a prompt response.


James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
McKnight Professor Emeritus
University of Minnesota Duluth

From: Wolfgang Halbig
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 07:38:20 -0500
To: Debbie Leidlein, Laura Roche, Keith Alexander, John Vouros, David Freedman, Michelle Embree Ku, Kathy Hamilton
Subject: Follow the CT Laws on the Ct Freedom of Information Act and please return phone calls

School Board Chairman and Board Members:

I have spend a lifetime as a Florida State Trooper In Miami, Florida from 1974 through 1977 and then realizing that I’m in the wrong profession.

When you work as a Law Enforcement Officer in Miami, Florida it seems as a lifetime even if it is only 3 years or less.

I was putting people in Jail instead of trying to prevent them from going to jail.

So I became a School Administrator for 36 school years.

I became a National School Safety Consultant after retiring form Education in 1999.

I was appointed by former Gov. Jeb Bush to the Florida Safe Schools Commission and confirmed by the Florida Senate.

I am asking you the Board Members to help me in getting your school superintendent to repsond to my Ct Freedom of Information Requests in a timely manner.

Your Facility Director does not even return phone calls after leaving a polite message.

My requests are simple requests and will not place your school district in any danger whatsoever.

I was an Expert witness in the Columbine shooting in 1999 and it causes me to ask the same questions.

I was in the Media Center three days after the shooting and I personally observed the horrific crime scene and I got to see it after they renovated the Media Center for School use again.

The incident at Sandy Hook Elementary School has caused nothing but panic and fear throughout all schools in our country and I believe you have a responsibility as Board Members to tell the truth as to:

Why were NO trauma Helicopters requested that morning when lives could have been saved?

Why No paramedics or EMT’S were allowed into the school building instead they were told to set up Triage?

Who declared all 24 school children and school staff legally dead within the first 11 minutes since only a Doctor can do that not a police officer per CT State Laws?

Two children supposedly died at the hospital which it took over an hour to transport. Why?

Who did the school board contract to remove all Bio-Hazards from the Sandy Hook Elementary School such as 45 to 65 gallons of blood, brain tissues and skull fragments, blood splatter, blood carpet removal etc just as they did at Columbine?

Who was the contractor who installed the security system at sandy Hook Elementary school and the total cost of the project?

Copies of the tri-annual Asbestos inspections that must be conducted by a Certified Inspector from outside the school system and that all parents must be notified of any asbestos, lead or any other dangerous substances that could cause harm to children and school staff on an annual basis.

I have requested those reports from 2002 through current year 2012. Now what is so difficult in providing me with those reports since parents of Sandy Hook should see those every school year?

Please comply.

I am asking you as a former educator and National School Safety Consultant to respond to my Ct Freedom of Information Act requests and return phone calls in a timely manner. You have had Dr. Ron Stephens National School Safety Center speak with you and he will give me a great reference if you check me out.

I will not stop asking as you will see until board members have the courage in sharing the truth.

How can a Lt. from the Newtown Police Department working an off-duty detail on Dec 14, 2012 and hearing that shots are fired at Sandy Hook Elementary School not leave his off duty job to repsond in saving children and school staff lives? He decided to stay until over two and a half hours passed to respond.

How can you [have] allowed that type of response from police in your community. He should be fired and not praised in your meetings?

Please have your school district respond to my requests.


Wolfgang W Halbig

Sandy Hook School beyond rennovating

Wolfgang’s questions for The Newtown Bee

His letter to The Newtown Bee was so completely appropriate and reasonable that it seemed to me a bit more heat was deserved in this case, so I wrote a sequel in which I raised questions about an event as embarrassing relative to Sandy Hook as Jane Standley’s report of the “collapse” of WTC-7, which was broadcast 27 minutes early. So I asked about its very strange report of a phone call from the principal, Dawn Hochsprung, about the shooting, when she was said to be the first victim:

From: James Fetzer
Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:00 AM
Subject: About Wolfgang Halbig’s inquiries to The Newtown Bee
To: [Newtown Bee Staff]
Cc: wolfgang halbig

Dear Bee Editors and Staff,

As a former Marine Corps officer, retired university professor and especially as a journalist for Veterans Today, who has published several articles about the Sandy Hook event, I would like to have your response to what Wolfgang Halbig has addressed to you. Wolf is a former Florida State Trooper, a former school principal and a nationally recognized expert on school safety. Are you going to respond to his inquiries or pretend you never received them?

There are multiple indications that you, The Newtown Bee, have been participating in a cover up of what took place at Sandy Hook Elementary School. As we have observed in “Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook was an Elaborate Hoax” (with Vivian Lee, Sofia Smallstorm, James Tracy and other members of the Sandy Hook Research Group), you even published an interview with Dawn Hochsprung after she was officially dead:

Dawn Hochsprung—In an embarrassing fiction, The Newtown Bee reported on 14 December 2013 that Dawn Hochsprung, the Sandy Hook school principal, told the paper that a masked man had entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shots – more than she could count – that went “on and on.” Of course, Dawn Hochsprung was allegedly killed by Adam Lanza and so could not easily have provided this statement. In fact, Dawn was said to have acted heroically, dying while lunging at the gunman—although one wonders who witnessed and reported this act of heroism. On 17 December 2013, The Bee retracted the report and apologized:

An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school’s principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack. The quote was removed from subsequent online versions of the story, but the original story did remain in our online archive for three days before being deleted. We apologize for whatever confusion this may have caused our readers and for any pain or anguish it may have caused the Hochsprung family.

But how in the world could something like that have happened unless someone went off the script? Why in the world would anyone PRETEND TO BE THE PRINCIPAL OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND CALL IN TO REPORT A SHOOTING? Surely you can see that your flimsy attempt to explain away an embarrassing gaff by The Newton Bee isn’t going to persuade anyone that you are not complicit in this massive deception and hoax? So be sure to include me in your response to Wolfgang, because I want to have my facts straight. And if you were not participating in a massive hoax to mislead the American people, inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks for a prompt response.


James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
McKnight Professor Emeritus
University of Minnesota Duluth

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Wolfgang Halbig wrote:

Editor and reporters and Hicks:

How can you as a staff sit back in your offices and allow this to happen under your watch?

Your failure in placing every parent on notice before the Sandy Hook School Shooting about the serious high level of lead, asbestos and PCB’s in that school since it was built in 1956 should have been a warning sign long before they decided to tear it down.

Why did your News Paper not warn every parent and school board members of the serious exposures that every child and school staff member is confronted with on a daily basis and NO one warned the parents or school staff?

As you know by CT State and even Federal laws the Sandy Hook Elementary School is required to have a tri-annual Asbestos inspection by an outside certified asbestos inspector.

Those findings must be reported to parents of the children and school staff of Sandy Hook on an annual basis.

The school district must write a letter to very parent informing them of the high level of lead, Asbestos such as asbestos ceiling tiles, asbestos floor tiles and just as you finally reported before tearing down the school of how bad those Asbestos and Haz-Mat conditions where.

Children and school staff are working in classroom with high amounts of lead paint. Have you ever heard of allergies?

You call this a Vanguard School knowing that every child and school staff member who attended was being exposed to high levels of lead, serious Asbestos violations and many other Has-mat conditions such as PCB’s.

Why would any Elementary School parent allow their child to attend that school unless all those conditions were remediated long time ago?

These are serious conditions that a school district ignored and you must have known or maybe just an oversight in letting parents know of how bad those environmental conditions in that school where.

Did the school district on an annual basis write letters to every parent in informing them of these serious Haz-Mat and Asbestos conditions? You should find out because it is the law.


So what was Sandy Hook about?

Are the Newtown Selectmen going to move to make real estate records immune from public disclosure, just as the Newtown Clerk moved to keep children’s death certificates out of the public domain? Just how dumb are we supposed to be? As I explained in an earlier article, “Fusion and Fear in America: The Non-Existent Domestic Terrorist Threat”, on the basis of an extensive study by a subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Intelligence, there appears to be no domestic terrorist threat, which may account for why we are subjected to contrived events, such as Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing:

“Despite reviewing 13 months’ worth of reporting originating from fusion centers from April 1, 2009 to April 30, 2010, the Subcommittee investigation could identify no reporting which uncovered a terrorist threat, nor could it identify a contribution such fusion center reporting made to disrupt an active terrorist plot.”–US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

While this finding appears to be of the greatest importance to the American public, to the best of my knowledge, the mass media has ignored it completely. We know about the 300 or more FEMA camps distributed around the country. We know that Congress has authorized 30,000 drones to conduct surveillance on the American people. We know that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) had requisitioned 1.5 billion rounds of .40 calibre hollow-point ammunition, which is not permissible for use in warfare under the Geneva Conventions. And we know that Hitler, like Obama, promoted gun control in the name of “public safety”.

Since DHS does not conduct operations abroad, it must be acquiring that massive stock of ammo for use on us right here in the United States. That much is alarming enough all by itself. What we didn’t know is that DHS is some kind of monstrous joke, that it has been squandering billions of taxpayers’ dollars, and that it has turned up no evidence of any domestic terrorist threat! NONE! The situation is absurd. DHS has no financial oversight and cannot even identify how much it has spent, where there is more than $1 billion difference in its own estimates. So what precisely are we getting for our money?

Perhaps the biggest obstacle to the public’s acceptance of Sandy Hook fakery, in spite of a mountain of evidence that proves it, has been the question of motivation: What could possibly have induced so many to have lied so much about a matter of such immense significance, which has been parlayed into greater restrictions on gun control and new “mental health criteria” that entitle your physician to ask you about gun ownership? The answer, alas, should be obvious to everyone: free homes and free money from playing the American people for suckers. Don’t say no one ever told you, because we just did.

YouTube – Veterans Today –

Wolfgang Halbig, a former Florida State Trooper with 36 years of experience as a school administrator, is also a nationally recognized authority on school safety and has been threatened for asking questions about Sandy Hook.

Jim Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth and a journalist and editor for Veterans Today.

This article originally appeared at Veterans Today on February 16, 2014. It is republished here with permission.

359 thoughts on “Sandy Hook: Free Homes and “Big Bucks” Incentives for Leaders and Players”

  1. By golly, but this is amazing info, another great feat of the mighty Inter-net–reason why ZOG must move to remove it, I fear.

    And note the INDUCTIVE process of logic–lots and lots of items and details build-up, so that at a certain pt. it become incumbent upon players and principals to explain how it isn’t something worthy of formal investigation.

    Brilliant work, once again, by Fetzer, Halbig, and Tracy–Keep it up. A.

      1. Zionist Occupation Gov.–but u can alternatively think of it as “oligarchs,” “big-bro.,” etc. Alex Jones ( calls them, “the globalists.”

        1. Are you sure you don’t mean BOG? Bush Occupation Gov or COG? or even ROG for Rockefeller? You’re just silly not to be inclusive in who you think are the band of global criminals.

        2. “ZOG” is well-known by wide, aware public. ZOG works quite well as they’re part of the criminals behind the KEY to this top criminal network, the US Federal Reserve Bank (Fed) COUNTERFEIT scam which provides funding for everything else. See,, and for definitive expo on the Fed.

  2. A million thanks to professors Tracy and Fetzer and Mr. Halbig. Rattling comfort and healing zones in Newtown is underway. Wonder how this will affect complicit Newtowners strong in their belief that their grand scale play was safe and protected all the way to the highest office of the land.

    One of Newtown’s three selectmen is also a lawyer who happens to be in charge of missing Robert Hoagland’s estate. Before they scrub all evidence – Mr. Hoagland’s residence on 94 Glen Road in Sandy Hook is also listed as a zero dollar sale on 12/25, 2009.

  3. No property taxes – the gift that just keeps on giving. I’m sure they are getting their story straight now about auto data in the computer system at the assessor’s office or some such nonsense.

    I recently purchased a home and looked at thousands of tax histories and home valuations from the MLS, Zillow and Truilla, and even in Detroit Michigan – I never came across and Christmas transactions – or any other transactions that put a $0 value on a home.

    This must be a tense moment in Sandy Hook. Answers are being demanded by respected educators, law enforcement personal, and journalists.

    I am among thousands, if not millions of parents who have a right to know – because our children and grandchildren are already being subjected to terrifying drills. Many school districts now regularly pound into every kid’s skull, the prospect of deadly violence that may occur without warning at any moment. In Newtownt – they are on schedule to perform a drill every three months.

    New laws will also provide heightened mental health scrutiny and profiling that will affect their freedom, and restrict employment opportunities – for the rest of their lives. I want answers too.

    1. ZOG Will Continue Going To “Well” Of BIG-LIES

      Sandy: they’re just gonna keep mum, intimidating and persecuting “truthers,” continuing on w. further distractions and false-flags, not to mention the usual circus spectaculars, foot-ball games, celebrity scandals, etc., as diversion.

      And note nothing will obtain long as people continue w. the bread & circuses–only snag for oligarchs w. be serious economic turmoil–WHICH IS COMING, entailing on-going collapse of US Dollar–that’s why they’re determined to set-up for a serious war, w. Iran or N. Korea, or someone. “War is health of the state.”

      Thus it’s true Christians vs. inveterate satanists at the poles working to affect the otherwise less astute masses in the great “center.” Note oligarchs continue going back to proverbial “well” for their now constant stream of BIG-LIES. Great example for us is the revolution of St. Constantine the Great, early 4th cent. Inter-net is Key.

        1. Internet is key for communications and info for the people–counter to the mass-corp. “news”-media dis-info which tries to keep people confused, etc. So ZOG will attempt to dis-able the I-net, naturally.

    2. “I recently purchased a home and looked at thousands of tax histories and home valuations from the MLS, Zillow and Truilla, and even in Detroit Michigan – I never came across and Christmas transactions – or any other transactions that put a $0 value on a home.”

      I wondered that too, so I looked it up. Usually a home is transferred as a “Peppercorn Contract” stating: “for one dollar and other valuable considerations.” This is done for a lot of reasons one of which is buying from a distressed seller with an eye toward a future profit. You don’t want a prospective buyer knowing what you really paid. The value is kept secret by the registrar of deeds.

      The zero dollar amount is correct if the home is gifted: “Financial Consideration: Sometimes a grantee pays the grantor money upon execution of the quitclaim deed. This transaction must be documented on the deed, and there will be a sales tax assessed on the amount. If the property is freely transferred from the grantor to the grantee, then a zero dollar amount must be listed on the deed.” (Source: SFgate Homes Guide)

      1. Beth, me either. If they do, they will be in attack mode. My guess is there will be silence (queue the crickets).

    3. Sandy, you are so right to be alarmed about the school invasions by police under some kind of mandate to “prepare” students. If my kids were in school during this horrible fad I don’t think I would allow them to remain in public schools, no matter how supposedly good the district. It is real damage which is going on, damage to the youngest generation.

      For some time I have had trouble with the exploitation of children of troops serving in our global imperial system, in which the parent shows up by surprise at school, the intense reaction of the child is filmed and shown on tv for the evening news, and then we are told that mommy or daddy is not home for good, just furloughed for a week or two before he or she has to return. For some reason this invasion of the school also seems a violation because it is so exploitative, making everyone a part of a reality show that isn’t quite what it seems.

      1. Dead on musings and Sandy…if anyone needs a reason to voice their local protest it is mock school shakedowns and drills. If your local school officials wave the SHE flag it is time to call for an appointment to have a chat with your School Board. Is your local School or Church raising money for SHE?

  4. Excellent information!! Sincere thanks to Professors Tracy and Fetzer, and Wolfgang Halbig for all of your work in getting the truth out about Sandy Hook

  5. Wasn’t there an initial explanation that the $0 transactions were the result of a computer reset ? Did anyone assess the veracity of that explanation?

    If the sellers names are the same as the buyers name then where is the value transfer? Where is the gift ? Who gave the homes to whom ?

    Personally I think there is more potential on the massive inconsistencies in the report and witness statements. The obvious lie that the final shot occurred at 9:40 am when clearly there were shots long thereafter. Why do all of the police officers state that they entered the lobby through the doors and Sedensky states that they went through the window ?

    All the children witnesses described the shooter to be in camo which is consistent with the man detained by police in the parking lot and yet he was released ?

    1. Yes. I remember reading on another forum that the $0 transactions were a changeover from an old computer system, or system reset. The Newtown Clerk supposedly stated this.

      Best route to the fallacies is naming the on-scene Commander, the lack of Emergency Protocol and who declared the children dead.

    2. One of the first officers that saw Lanza stated that they knew there were at least 2 shooters when Hammond described the shooter at dressed in all black with a black mask. The officer stated he knew there was at least 1 more shooter, because Hammonds description was “not what they had observed in room 10.

      Students in room 10 describe shooter as quiet, not saying a word…witnesses described the shooter in room 8 as very loud, screaming obscenities, in fact a teacher in room 6 stated that they hid in the closet next to the wall of room 8 so she could hear everything…stated the shooter screamed obscenities, and she could hear children screaming…she also stated that she simultaneously heard shooting and children screaming from farther away, as the shooting was going on in room 8.

      There seems to be descriptions of 3 distinct shooters right there in the Ct State police report…why hasn’t any journalist questioned this????

      1. It is also more than suspicious that the official story has Lanza shooting himself in “the back of the head”…that makes zero sense…

        1. Geno, as you note, the inconsistencies in the CT testimony of SHE are in plain sight. There is no evidence that has been brought forward that supports the Main Stream Media (MSM) story. Since the lack of evidence is not and has never been a MSM reportable event then I conclude that journalism can be pronounced dead in the MSM. Furthermore, if MSM journalism is so corrupt to ignore these inconsistencies they are in collaboration with the tellers of the SHE story.

        2. I’m a firm believer that the news industry reports only what they are told to report. Most just regurgitate a form of what has already been reported – thus, no independence.

          Prior to Sandy Hook, I recall I was watching a documentary on an unrelated topic (business fighting the US Gov) and it was horrifying to see examples of how the media is used. I was waking up before…it was then that I became wide-awake. Now? I seem to have one foot in the Matrix and one foot out….not able to entirely break the tie.

      2. I guess we should have paid more attention when Bush admitted to using pre-packaged news feeds given to the MSM

  6. I had read about the $0 value homes transferred earlier – it was explained as ‘new software installation’ or some such stuff.
    But to transfer a few dozen homes with such a high participation rate of people involved in the only other news event of that town in a decade is, at least to me, FAR beyond coincidence. It would be hard to create such a coincidence rate without a names list by intention, but to claim the Sandy Hook involvement and the ‘gifted’ homes are coincidental strains credulity. In fact, I think it lets the cat out of the bag.

    1. There’s an error here: the records of many more homes than just those of the “victims” or selectmen show that Dec. 25, 2009, sale date for a value of $0.

      I posted, earlier, that I contacted “Monica” at the town clerk’s office in March 2013 about this. She said there was a software conversion which would not work unless they “put a date in,” so they chose Dec. 25, 2009, assuming there would be no real conveyances on that date. This is hokey, and illegal for a number of reasons, as I already posted. (Don’t know exactly where that post is, though.) It also doesn’t explain the fact that there are many properties which do NOT have that Dec. 25, 2009, date.

      The guy at Fellowship of the Minds blog has just put up his analysis of this issue, bearing on victims’ and selectmen’s homes only. I actually called people who were NOT victims, however, last March, and they were unaware of this entry in their property records. I posted that information on the Fellowship of the Minds blog.

      1. Yes, I remember diving into this months ago. The explanation did not make sense. They said that they migrated records to a new software and used the 25 December date as an arbitrary “zero point”. Why?

        Who would be down there on Christmas to make that happen? They certainly seem to have a rather cavalier attitude to public records. Anyone who has ever closed on a real estate transaction knows that, after paying everyone and their third cousin the records are duly notarized and made “official”. You can’t randomly make unilateral changes.

        The date explanation makes no sense (as you point out).

        1. The problem they have with this NEW software default date explanation is that is was entered about 5 years ago and the real dates and values would have been entered into the new program within a month or two. So that whole software update falls flat on its face. Why would you change all your software then never update it and leave “default dates and zero values”?
          Answer: You wouldn’t

      2. Dinophile…it might make sense if one was to do this, to “flaw” other records so as not to raise red flags. Problem is, they probably didn’t make these changes to enough records…if it was all or 1,000 of them, people would’ve likely blown by it.

        As you have a legal background – doesn’t it seem odd to you (it does me) that the county has technically falsified public records? Even if it was some internal processing thing…it still created a false recording.

        1. Not speaking for dinophile, YES, it is more than “odd”. It is fraudulent (at least it is a falsification). “Fraud” would need some proof that somebody gained by doing this.

          The explanation makes no sense. If they were simply migrating records to a new system why wouldn’t you use the original date? In other words, no real “transaction” occurred. One would have to assume that the original “owner” remained unchanged. If a transfer did occur, taxes would be due. If you falsified the sale amount there would be trouble.

          If you were “migrating” to a new system, why wouldn’t you migrate ALL the records?

          There are a host of “lesser” issues with this as well. These systems are all tied together in such a way that those who collect this information would assume that a slough of “sales” happened that day. They would get inundated by advertisers, etc.. I’m sure the assessor’s office would also be “in the loop”.

          Judging by what Dino says these people were supposedly unaware that their records had been altered. If I have no interest in this property how does that happen? A clerk at the records office can simply transfer ownership at will and the property owner blissfully goes through life unaware of the change?

          Actually, this is a pretty good choice for an explanation. There are certainly many others. Judging from the way they handled the requests for public records there’ll be more of the same.

        2. Excellent points, especially your second paragraph. Can you imagine an insurance company ‘losing’ your health history because they put in a new claims system? Or losing your demographic data because of a new enrollment system? How about the VA losing your military service records because of some new application? And do you think your mortgage company will ‘lose’ (or wipe) your mortgage payments and future payments obligations because they update a payments system?


          Anybody want to guess the odds that the IRS will lose your prior tax records, or the ATF will lose the records of your background checks? No? Correct! You just don’t do that with data records, and especially when property is concerned.

          So the question is what are they hiding with this ‘new system’ scam? What can be hidden or made to disappear when you create a bogus transfer of a residence with an assessed value of ZILCH?

        3. Yes, I agree, Beth. I learned in law school that all states have one of three types of recording systems: “race,” “notice,” or “race-notice.” The reason for recording systems is to provide security in conveyancing. For instance, if X was giving you a deed to property, you could check the records to ensure that X had not already conveyed the property to someone else.

          Putting everyone’s conveyance dates as “12/25/2009,” for $0, is simply a crime, on the face of it–alteration of public records–but not only is the clerk herself doing it, her criminal act is being protected.

          The only explanation I can think of for this is that the record owners, of all these properties which were “sold” for $0, are straws, and true ownership is in another person or entity, who does not want his or her or its name in the records–and has no fear that the properties will be reconveyed by the record owners.

  7. The section “what was Sandy Hook about” is exceptionally well reasoned. DHS has not stopped a single threat and yet they want billions and all that ammo to use domestically ?

  8. 35 homes gifted, on a day when all town offices were presumably closed so no ‘gift’ could be made. Is that an attempt to hide the transactions? Who went into the office that day to do that work?

    And (what is the count precisely?) 22/35 of them – or 2/3 of the homes – gifted to either SHES ‘victims’ or townsfolk collaborators – is just FAR TOO HIGH a percentage to be anything less than intentional in a town with more than say, 50 homes.

    So, now I’m wondering who got the other homes, and how are all of them connected to this. It no longer sounds like it was a ‘software installation’ thing – that would NEVER happen on a big holiday. I’m betting we can find other folks who are involved, or likely to be involved and just not so obvious. Every gift should be squeezed until it gives up its essence – because there is a statistical indication now that perhaps ALL the gifted homes were payoffs.

    1. Dave says ” So, now I’m wondering who got the other homes”
      You nailed it there. If there is an conspiracy here you will find that the other homes that have these $0.0 transcations and dated 12-25-09 maybe connected in different ways other than just Sandy Hook.

      In otherwords, this could blow the lid off something else like Smallstorm maybe suggesting.

      But still even if you did a family to family transfer such as a “quit Claim” to spouse, the homes value would still be what is was before the transfer for tax reasons. So to get a $0.0 transfer the Loan would have to be paid off and who has $600K laying around to pay off thier home?

      It still doesn’t make sense either way for regardless if the loan was paid off the home and title transfered to spouse there would still have to a be a value for taxation.

      Anyways, we know what they are going to say if they even answer. It was a default date, we added new software..bla bla

      1. Yes Ric we know what they will say. But if we dig deep enough and tie EVERY default date transfer to the SHES events and participants, that excuse evaporates. Tie most of them to SHES and the others look like a cover-up.Transfer every house in Newtown on that day for $0 and my suspicions fall apart. All we need to do is to find out which it is. (But at this point we need to check the update date too, so there’s no ‘backdating’ of additional $0 transfers to cover the trail.)

      2. I would still like to be able to perform select statements in this database against the whole town or county where “$0” was the sell price and the date was 12/25/09 to make sure this is not some “default” or arbitrary data imput….the GUI interface does not let you get this verbose unfortunately.

        1. I checked Vision Government Solutions for a neighboring town I used to live in – next door to Newtown and in the same county. I found just a few zero transactions and each had a different date. Some were transfers into trust accounts, one was a foreclosure listing the bank as the new owner and one was a quitclaim deed. Two others were widows transferring the deeds into their names only with zero dollars, the norm in a case like that. I checked quite a few addresses and never came across a Christmas Day date and each address had more information than anything I have seen in the Newtown records. In comparison Newtown looks very suspect.

        2. Anne, exactly. To me it would mean that (1) your lien holders had been paid and they were now listing you as the sole “owner”. (2) someone defaulted and the mortgage holder was taking title. Or, as you said, (3) and “owner” was placing their property into a trust or receiving it from a trust.

          How many of those do you think happen on any day, yet alone Christmas? Besides, that isn’t what the records clerk said. If you were doing any of those things why would they need to be on the same date? Sounds rather convenient for someone who didn’t want anyone else in the office.

      3. Ric, good point. They said it was a software problem. If that’s true I would assume EVERY house went through the same process. If not, why?

      4. Another question is the term “gifted”. Most don’t own their properties free and clear. There are liens on the title. In order to “gift” something, those liens would need to be cleared. If that happened, it would not be a “$0” sum transaction.

        1. Again, I can’t tell. It is only a “transaction” record (I think). Now, if the “new” owners no longer have lien holders you’d have your answer.

      1. flying, is it a “revaluation”? I’m not sure. It “appears” to be a record of a sales transaction for “$0”. That’s certainly strange, but I would expect the value of the houses involved to be unchanged unless the assessor reevaluates them.

        So, if it is a record of a sale it should be “from” someone, “to” someone. Of course there would be a tax on that. If it were a “gift”, the tax people would see that as “income”. The income would be based on the assessed value, not the transaction amount.

        Who knows, maybe they’ve arranged for them to “win” the lotto to cover the tax bill.

  9. Indeed Dave: the INDUCTIVE logic and process is such now they MUST investigate this, and answer questions, to prove it isn’t conspiracy–for pay-off, collusion in the farce/fraud, etc.

  10. Can someone explain to me where the damage is if the seller is Pat Lodra and the buyer is Pat Lodra and the price is $0 then what exactly did Pat Lodra get and from whom?

    1. Well Bill: obvious question is WHY dear Pat did it in first place, THEN what’s going w. all the other sales–why was it done on holiday, etc.

      1. Well Apollonian that is an excellent point but even if all pertinent variables are adverse how does the property owner benefit by selling their own property to themselves for $0 ???? They could not even get a tax write off out of it.

        1. Beth, now THAT makes sense. What if the “owner” was the gas company or the state? What if you held a large note against it?

  11. SIRVA — a government relocation/staging agency:

    Advertised by the Forum for Expatriate Management
    ( service directory:
    “A leading worldwide provider of relocation and moving solutions, SIRVA, Inc. ( provides more than 230,000 relocations per year to corporations, government employees, and individual consumers. The Company delivers the best mobility experience at the lowest total cost to relocate through complete management of the global supply chain, the world’s leading global operations, industry-leading risk management processes, and full accountability and transparency of all costs. SIRVA’s brands include Allied, Allied International, Allied Pickfords, Allied Special Products, DJK Residential, Global, northAmerican, northAmerican International, SIRVA Mortgage, SIRVA Relocation, SIRVA Move Management, SIRVA Global Relocation, Inc. and SIRVA Settlement.”
    From the SIRVA website:
    Government, Civilian and Military Customers Trust SIRVA to Handle Their Relocation Needs
    –GovernmentSIRVA offers a full suite of services for the Federal Government, all customized to meet the government’s regulatory requirements. As an approved contractor under the GSA Schedule 48 Relocation Services contract, SIRVA has assisted with the relocation of thousands of federal employees and their families. SIN 653-1 Home Sale Services

    1. Smallstorm – I could see SIRVA being part of a great movie plot – the government employs full time crisis actors to be placed in strategic locations for various fake events. They move ’em in a few years ahead…moves ’em out later…but in well-timed exists vs. all at once.

      1. Sure, the military does it all the time. They have contracts and when a service member changes duty stations they arrange the move. Same with federal civil servants.

        What they don’t “normally” do is arrange for buying houses although I’m sure that could be done in certain circumstances. Normally they provide an “allowance” for that and leave the arrangements up to the party.

        As Sophia says, I suppose they could have a provision in their contract that would allow them to purchase houses. That would be a pretty slick way of “gifting” a house.

        1. SIN 653-5 Employee Relocation Services – Agency Customization Services
          Buyer Value Option (BVO) – This is a Home Sale Assistance program without the option of a guaranteed offer to purchase by SIRVA Relocation. This option is offered as one method to assist the government in improving transferee home sale rates and overall transfer time by providing employees, who otherwise would market their home on their own, with professional home sale guidance and complete program assistance.

          SIN 653-5 Special Handling Properties Pricing
          This service accommodates some homes that would not normally fall within the Authority SIN 653-1.

          There is a “Sirva” in Newtown (note the lower case), connected with Susan Ehrens, mother of Emma Ehrens, who was said to have escaped the Sandy Hook shooting (a Soto class survivor, running out covered with blood). Oddly, SIRVA honors its success in the Mobility industry with the “EMMA” award (Expatriate Management and Mobility Award). Susan Ehrens lent her public voice to the January 2013 gun-control rally. Food for thought …

        2. Sophia, could be. When I worked for the government I moved and had an option to use a service like this if I had problems selling my old home or lost money somehow in the transaction. The idea being that the move shouldn’t cost the employee unduly.

          It is certainly possible that a service like this could be used for “locating” operatives. Of course it would be a dead giveaway that it was a government operation.

          I wouldn’t rule out something like this. Of course there would be records. I know that DoD has “Transportation” offices that deal with this. I presume other agencies have an equivalent.

  12. May your courageousness and enlightening testimony be motivating for millions to begin the asking the same questions, then the obvious ever larger questions and not being content until truths are revealed.

  13. Much of this is of interest. One thing that stands out is the question of the prices of numerous houses all being $0, that the transaction date is Christmas, and it is government officials whose properties are so strangely transacted. One commenter here, some months ago, defended this saying, if I remember correctly, that it was some sort of computer reset or some such nonsense. I did not understand it at the time, and did not believe it, because it sounded false.

    The thing about this increasingly nasty country is the state is now our god. And that god asks of its subjects a form of worship; it also demands proof of that worship, which takes the form of paperwork. No bureaucrat can claim that lots of real estate transactions are a computer glitch. It is REAL. It is ESTATE. And every transaction is recorded on paper. One computer “glitch” is not believable. An obvious pattern of them is, well, obvious.

    Unless there was a “Murrah building” event we no nothing of, where all the documents went “poof,” the computer records are irrelevant. Bureaucrats demand that the paper trail is complete. All transactions are recorded. On paper. And saved forever. With signatures.

    1. Patrick, I know there has been mention of the reason given for the date. I don’t know if it was an “excuse”, just a reason given. It didn’t make sense then and it still doesn’t.

      One of the few things bureaucrats are normally meticulous about are property records. It affects their tax base. I didn’t believe you could “give” a house away for “$0”, maybe “$1.00”. Anyway, if you tried to do that the state and feds would be all over you claiming you were avoiding sales tax and/or income tax.

      It’s like selling a car “under the table” to avoid the tax. If you “receive” something valuable like this it would be considered “income”. So, besides the weird date, you could be accused of perpetrating a fraud by using the “$0” value if it wasn’t true.

      As “Ric” has pointed out elsewhere, why would just “some” of the houses receive this treatment? Did everybody get up New Year’s Day and say “wow, look what was under the tree”?

      We’ve said before that one of the identifying characteristics of this scam is that they don’t even try to make sense. Characters drift in and out of this like wraiths.

      Even the “donation” money is suspicious. They could launder a lot of black ops and other “funny money” through here. There are all sorts of totals floating around as to the total amount “donated”. Early on some were trying to keep track. Of course there are simply too many and they are not publicized as to their collections and distributions.

      Even that aspect is strange. One would presume that anybody who donated expected their money to go to the “victims”, not some self-appointed group who is deciding how to divvy up the spoils.

      This thing is about as “in your face” as it gets.

    1. The lotto explains how they silenced those particular individuals. And opens up another can of worms concerning hush money, how it is acquired, from whom and just who gets it and the ‘why’ is more than obvious. Except of course, for those wealthy elitist entertainment ‘servants’ of ‘this president.’ They are told by their illuminist masters to go with the flow, or else… fiery car crashes, drug overdoses and arrests for any number of infractions. Several, including Aaron Russo (film producer) tried to tell us all. But back then few would listen. This real estate non-sense ought to make a few more people scratch their heads now. Tracy, Fetzer and Halbig are truly role models for the students that they are responsible for teaching – and everyone else for that matter.

      1. Winning the lotto is an excellent cover for ‘moving away’ – the illegal equivalent of ‘witness protection program’ – except in this case it’s ‘silencing the accomplices program’.

        Move them away, give them new identities (they’re in hiding to protect their lottery winnings, right?), and if they talk at all you kill them all, kids included. Nobody will be the wiser, because they aren’t the folks from Newtown, they’re the Robbie Smythes from Upper Bumfuq, NY.

        Who would ever make the connection? They’re just another family tortured and murdered over a drug debt, or by some patsy for some other false flag event.

      1. John,
        We should all be that lucky. One time I watch a great piece John Stossel did on the lotto and he said he was shocked on what little information he was allowed to know, he also said the lotto had it’s own police and they were not happy he was doing a story and made it clear to him, there was “nothing to see here”. I personally always though the mega lotto was a sham and it would be a great way for the government to pay it’s “assets”.

        1. What’s this?–EVERYTHING else about US gov. is scam, fraud, lies, etc., and u think mega lotto is sham? ho ho hoo ho Notice Kerry lately pushes BIG-LIE of “climate-change”?

        2. Just another Oscar ceremony – performers celebrating themselves. No money changing hands this time:

          More Than 200 To Get State Police Awards For Sandy Hook Shooting Response

          The department is not publicizing the ceremony and the public, including family members, is not invited. The ceremony will take place Wednesday at the State Police Training Academy in Meriden.

          State Police spokesman Paul Vance said there is no monetary bonus affiliated with the medals. Vance said the ceremony “is just to recognize all of those officers in the agency who responded that day.”

          Several members of the administration also will be getting service medals, including Col. Danny Stebbins and Vance, who became the face of the state police following the massacre. State police received mail from around the world praising Vance’s professionalism following the shooting.

        3. I fail to see the value of an award given to everyone who showed up for duty as they were required to do. Am I missing something?

          The perp was dead before most of them even arrived, so ‘no danger here’. So, it’s a participation award? Like they give to every kid on a 5 year-old soccer team? Wow, I’d love to have one of those for my mantle – not! I cannot imagine any cop wanting one of these.

        4. Anne, you call the cops and they come. Now they’re “heroes”? What response? The tale is that the “perp” shot himself.

          Now, if they want to hand out awards, how ’bout the construction crew that braved a bio-hazard to put up plywood partitions? How about the nurse who stayed in the closet for four hours? How about those who didn’t know she was there?

          How about the people (whoever they are) who declared them dead and made no effort to take them to the hospital? How about autopsies in the parking lot?

          It would take a “special” sort of individual to get up there and accept an award like that. “I’d like to thank the Academy……”.

        5. Won’t be long before December 14th is declared a national holiday. I had some info on the real estate transactions, but my comment is in moderation.

        6. Makes one wonder why they don’t want anyone else at this awards event. Perhaps some will have a hard time keeping a straight face and perhaps not all 200 were in on it. Vance is getting a medal too, did not see Carver’s name mentioned. Those two have all the answers.

        7. Anne, an awards “ceremony” with now audience is priceless. Let’s all stand around and pat each other on the back. “Ha, ha, did you see the footage of those extras getting dizzy in the parking lot? “I spit my coffee and had to wipe it up with a hundred-dollar bill”.

        8. With The Newtown Bee and Ms. Hicks receiving accolades in Boston and more than 200 Sandy Hook participants to get medals for their parts, the coronation of Pat can’t be far away. Seems they have worn out the welcome mat for the Sandy Hook vaudeville troupe and are reaching into the heartland for a more polished version of a PR mouthpiece. It is not working as well as expected, happy to say.

          The link at Rense for “Free Homes, Big Bucks for Key Sandy Hook Players” is still incorrect. I have noticed this before, if a revealing topic of major importance is linked, a different story is what you get. May not be a mistake on Rense’s part, but some letter agency interference instead. Davis Icke has picked up some of the recent Sandy Hook information as well. I predict meetings behind closed doors in the Borough.

        9. AB and all, Medal ceremony for CT State Police- A time to cement the legions and listen for idle chatter in the ranks. A pep talk from Uncle Vance. ” Medals speed your advancement fellow officers and we are united with SHE Illusion Enforcement.”

      2. Hi, John (and Anne), you’re right: I checked your link. On 12/20/13, Mark Mattioli won $50,000 with a $10 ticket in a scratch game called “$1,000,000 Silver and Gold.” There were five prizes of $50,000 available and 6,000,000 tickets sold. So his chance of winning that prize was about one in a million.

        Earlier, on 9/16/11, he won $100,000 in a game called “$3,000,000 Platinum Spectacular,” which I could not find details of. Assuming the odds of winning that prize were the same (and they were probably smaller, because it was a larger prize), the probability that he won both prizes as the result of random chance are one in 1,000,000-squared–or about one in a trillion.

        I read on another blog that THREE Sandy Hook “victims” won the lottery twice in recent years. The odds of THAT I cannot even begin to compute. I have always suspected that legalized gambling, including the lottery, is mob-run and this is solid evidence of it.

        I note that I posted this comment originally yesterday, and tried again several times today, and it would not post. I know it was not Dr. Tracy intervening: my computer and internet connection at home are being interfered with (and, although I was able to post a couple comments at home from my laptop yesterday, a Mac, that now does not work, either). Same with the comment I posted, above, in response to Beth about the recording systems. I am now posting these comments from the library. I just wanted to make a record of this interference with my computer and email program, and ask if anyone else is experiencing this problem.

        We need to save the info about the CT lottery and start looking at the Massachusetts lottery, too. This is a payoff mechanism.

  14. Verinique Pozner’s home is among the homes on the free list. The whole Pozner story is very curious.

    “3 Kale Davis Rd. Sandy Hook, CT 06482-1537
    VGS says Owner of Record: Veronique Pozner
    Ownership history:

    Sold to Veronique Pozner on 3/17/2009 for $0
    Sold to Leonard & Veronique Pozner on 6/20/2005 for $470,000”

    However, in the article linked below, it states that she was renting. On a December 4, 2013 update, the article corrects Veronique’s original claim that Noah was shot 11 times – apparently it was less than 11.

    Like any dad would, Noah’s father Lenny took off for Florida before the funeral.

    The journalist took note of her state of mind. “She has the air of a person in deep, almost studious concentration; she speaks in a quick, deliberate clip. Some details — the order of events after the killing — seem out of grasp.

    She can’t remember which door leads to which room in the unfamiliar house.”

    Even prior to the funeral, Ms Pozner had plans to move to Seattle and have Noah buried there. As of February of 2014, Noah has no burial records on the internet. His obituary of record does not list the names of any family members.

    Read more:

    1. Please tell me what mother of a 6 year old child goes to a tattoo parlor the DAY AFTER HER 6 YEAR OLD CHILD has supposedly been pumped full of bullets and gets a tattoo.

      “At the center of everything is Veronique. On her right wrist is a tattoo she and Danielle both got the day after Noah died: a small pink rose flanked by two angel wings with Noah’s name spanning the space between them, and his birth and death dates beneath.”

      1. Apparently the Boston Marathon scammers have also gotten a lot of ink lately – it was on the 11 o’clock news last night (Sun. Feb 16) in Boston, so if you try to forget this whole sorry thing, no tv station will let you. It’s in your face. One “Boston Strong” tat shows a fist made out of a lobster claw. It’s like they are commemorating a battle in the Gulf of Tonkin or something. Of course it could all be washable.

      2. No John, those tragedy tattoos are usually reserved for the “Honey Boo Boo” crowd. Nothing says “sorrow” quite like a tattoo, unless its a tongue piercing.

    2. I’m wondering if the “$0” is the amount of the transaction, not the “value”. If any of these houses had mortgages the mortgage holder would still be on the note. Someone would have to transfer ownership after being paid off (correct?).

      The whole thing is fishy, to be sure, but I don’t think it makes the value of the houses “$0”, just the transaction price. I still don’t understand the purpose.

      Some of these places, when we looked at it earlier, were either deeded to the gas company or the state. I believe they were part of the eminent domain seizure for the pipeline. It is hard to see in the records, however.

      1. I would expect that any legitimate reasons would not be something we’d have to pry loose like pulling healthy teeth….

      2. Lophatt – yes, zero it is the value of the transaction from one owner to another. In most of these cases the same individuals are both seller and buyer. The assessed value of the property is listed separately. The still unanswered question is why these odd transfers and why on Christmas Day. Only cockamamie explanations so far.

    3. Sandy, yeah, first they said she was in foreclosure, then they said she was renting. Someone (I don’t remember who) went by there and she had moved. There was a dumpster in the driveway and I couldn’t help wondering why he didn’t do a little “dumpster diving” while he was at it.

      For my money hers was the most suspicious “character” of all. Between her and her “brother” and the tattoo thing, including the “open casket” and fund for Israel, it stank.

      At the outset we looked at all this until it was a whirl. There have been many conflicting stories as to ownership of several of these houses. I suppose the way to look at it is, if there was nothing to hide, why would there be all this intrigue and confusion?

      The funny part (among many) is that the more it gets looked at the crazier it gets. The money keeps pouring in. They seem determined to seal the place off and stonewall. Hey, sunshine is the best disinfectant.

      1. Wondering, I believe there was a “Pozner” working for the U.N. but I’m not sure its the same one. This one had been married a few times and had an absent husband.

        She had listed herself on a number of “dating” sites. She claimed she was a Jewish “convert” although her “brother” is obviously not a convert. She was also out looking for Christmas trees to decorate which is not an old Jewish pass time.

  15. The Sandy Hook Players of Connecticut
    are enraged at The Boston Players of Massachusetts

    1. After this revelation, it might be the other way around. The Boston troupe has at least stayed out of the firing line of scrutiny. Traitors. every single one of them.

  16. Pat’s House has brand new updated info, but on the list of comp data it still reads:

    – 90 Riverside Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482 – sold at $0 – – 4 3.5 3,309 sqft 44,262 sqft 1845

  17. Great work researchers! Your dedication is mobilizing into real action. Halbig’s AFP radio interview made me proud to be an American again. And it has been a very long time since I felt this way. Because of the reality he lives in, Mr. Halbig has no choice but to seek the truth. His professional approach, clarity of purpose and integrity give me confidence that we will all finally get to the bottom (or “top”) of this SH matter. He says he’s going to depose the Newtown “insiders” and that he’s willing to die until all of his questions are answered.

    The real question is what will do as a nation when the truth is known, the key players identified, and the amount of tax payer dollars paid out to all involved is tallied? Will we penalize all our corrupt public servants, politicians, CEOs, and bankers? Do we then dare overhaul our education, military, and economic programs?

    After all, if this turns out as we all have been thinking, everything else will be in a spotlight that even the 1% cannot turn off anymore.

    I, for one, do not see any other alternative but for drastically needed change to occur in America. I’m no seer, but the fire may be lit in CT.

  18. Anyone who’s in touch with Mr. Halbig, please update his info about victims. I just listened to the interview linked above. In the interview, Mr. Halbig claims there were no victims who lived. I think there were two adults, and there was a story of a cop who claimed to carry out an injured child. I think Kate Slate (from Youtube) had that update.

    Another item as unbelievable as the rest is the 6-year girl who acted dead during the shooting. Nerves of steel from a 6-year old. Incredible. Can you imagine a 6-year old being capable of this? Sit back in your chair and close your eyes. Imagine a classroom with great kids and teachers. Then imagine Adam Lanza busting in and firing on everyone in site. Blood and guts fill the room. And a 6-year old has the wits to lay down and act dead. Is this possible?

    1. Bill: where’ve u been?–there were NO “victims”–it’s all scam, BIG-LIE, fraud. There’s no one who gives any info because the “event” was a scam. Get a clue.

      1. Yes I get it, but I don’t need to get a clue. We must focus our information like a laser beam, which you seem unable to do. If we are to present alternative stories to the public, its important we do know the ‘official story,’ and can communicate the ‘official story’ accurately. If the regular folks see that we can’t even follow the ‘official story’ then they will discredit the movement.

        You are obviously new to this blog as I have repeatedly expressed my views that I question the official story. Get up to speed, you are way behind.

        1. Bill: just give a citation where we can get “official story”–esp. one that isn’t absurdly redacted. Further, official story seems to change and have alternative understandings–did u ever notice.

          “Official story” is bunch of lies–get a clue.

          “Discredit the movement”?–ho ho ho ho–it’s just “the people” trying to find out what criminals in gov are up to–who do u think u’re kidding?

        2. There was no official story for the day the Tsarnaev’s took Cambridge and Watertown and did their so-called carjacking. It shifted every hour, and not because of mistakes.

          Every point was argued in the alternative as the fiction was firmed up. If something was declared impossible by someone who had authority (the 7-11 robbery in Central Square) it was dropped, although the story served the purpose to put the Tsarnaev’s at MIT.

          The SHES had the same hallmarks of arguing in the alternative, to move the narrative along.

          Both are total works of fiction, and they unfolded much like the b.s. sessions in “Wag the Dog” and the film sequence where they are adjusting the “Albanian” girl on a sound stage, deciding what kind of a kitten she is holding (it’s a bag of chips which they switch out for various types of felines until they hit on the most appealing one).The cuteness factor of the SHES kids is key.

          Once you smell the greasepaint, you are not in an English class anymore talking about the characters like they are real in order to decide what Shakespeare “really” meant. You are instead aware that someone has committed a sort of meta-crime, a magic act, whose purpose is to control the public.

    1. Thank you, ‘Flyingtigercomics’. I also wish the author of this article was someone, anyone, other than Fetzer.

      1. I don’t understand what gives with your people. I was the first to put Wolfgang on the air, which was broadcast on “The Real Deal” on 24 January 2014 (go to I arranged for Dave Gahary to do his interview, which has now gone viral.

        And I think I am the first to publish about him in “After two defeats over Sandy Hook, AFP editor declines a third debate”, 28 January 2014. So I have no idea where you are coming from. I am trying to get the truth out into the public domain. What are the two of you doing?

        1. Prof. what do u think about the US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam?–don’t u think the Fed is ultimately at the bottom of all these BIG-LIES and horrific false-flags, including 9/11, etc.? Note Fed has plenty of money to hire and finance shills to be-devil u and blogs like this. I think USA is now in hands of absolute satanists–look at Sec. State Kerry pushing “climate-change” BIG-LIE.

        2. That’s an excellent point. The FED is just a printing press. It took me forever to realize there is NOTHING BACKING UP OUR CURRENCY, which is why maintaining the dollar as the unit of exchange for oil has become the preoccupation of the United States abroad in dealing with nations like Iraq, Libya and Iran, which abandoned the petro-dollar. If you want to know why we have targeted them, that’s close to the core.

        3. Yes indeed, Prof., u know, USA used to be manufacturing titan–which would back the Dollar, but now that manufacturing is all at least half gone, sent overseas, USA now debtor nation. U’re right, all USA does now is kill people. Have u hrd about fluoride poisoning, toxic vaccines, poison “chem-trails”?–these all now slow-killing US citizens?

        4. You are completely correct. Bill Clinton was used to sell us NAFT and the WTO, which are key components of the New World Order. The TPP is another giant step in the wrong direction to impoverish the US.

          We have been stripped of our manufacturing base, companies and jobs have moved overseas (“outsourcing”) and we have been left with no industrial capacity but are reduced to a pathetic “service economy”.

          In combination with the fluoridation of our water supplies (where it took genius to convert an industrial waste product into an alleged benefit) and the ubiquitous viewing of television, we are losing our intelligence.

          Fukushima, the Gulf BP disaster and the tacit use of nukes in the Middle East are contaminating the world–compounded by chem-trails. So I have to agree–you are on the right track. Things have gone terribly wrong,

        5. The dollar actually tanked on Jan. 1, 1965 when 90% silver content was removed from quarters and dimes. The 50 cent piece was decimated in 1970 when its sliver content was reduced from 50% to zero. The final blow came in 1983 when the lowly penny went from 90% copper content to zero. The currency has been like a coupon since my childhood, and it is only downhill from there.

          Think about it for a moment, a simple quarter has intrinsically the same value between the coinage act of 1793 and 1964.

        6. Prof: I submit we’re up against out-and-out SATANISTS, not mere “leftists” or “fascists”–these people WORSHIP lies–look at Kerry pushing “climate-change” BIG-LIE (which works by getting folks to fool themselves as they confront the enormity of the false proposition), the lying of Obongo now legendary–how he’s done exact opposite of what he campaigned upon. I seriously think we need nothing less than a veritable religious-type movement–to save humanity–much like the original movement of St. Constantine the Great.

        7. Apollonian, I agree – I feel it in my heart. I know others feel it too – so many people are so vocal about the layer of evil that seems to have engulfed us.

          I have always thought I’d live to see the end of it all as we know it…even as a young child (that was a lot of decades ago). There is so much that is very, very wrong and the layers of corruption so thick. “It” is all around us.

        8. I realize I am far too late to this party, but I wanted to say that I totally agree with your 2/18 comment about Satanist control, as well as your other comments about the Fed, chemtrails, vaccines, and flouride. All of these issues…and many others, including Agenda 21…are nothing short of organized EVIL, plain and simple. It took me a long time to figure this out, but it seems I’m not the only one who has come to this conclusion.

      2. 25 Rules of Disinformation, Rule 17

        17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can ‘argue’ with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

        THIS is one of my key concerns with people who are dragging Tracy and now Halbig into a situation where there are childish “sides” rather than giving them clear air.

        You could play “disinformation bingo” with both Fetzer and Smallstorm on this.

        1. This is slovenly and unwarranted. Sofia has made extremely important contributions to 9/11 (with “9/11 Mysteries”) and to Sandy Hook (with “Unraveling Sandy Hook”). Her dedication and integrity are beyond reproach.

          I had not even posted here when I discovered you were smearing me right and left (with minor players like Martha and Benjamin Freedman chiming it). How is it “changing the subject” to expose you as a fake and a fraud for doing that?

          The fact is, you like to dish it out but can’t take it. That is a sure sign of duplicity and cowardice. You don’t even use you own name and I am sure you have never made a significant contribution to 9/11 or Sandy Hook. If I am wrong, then prove it.

          None of your belittlements has been accompanied by the least shred of proof. You are long on allegations but short on logic and evidence. I have dealt with many despicable trolls in my work on JFK and 9/11. Do you not realize how obvious you are?

        2. Mate, if you really want to arc up, all I am going to do is walk away. I don’t like what you do or how you do it. You can keep doing it, same as Alex Jones or anyone else.

          But it’s a two-way street. If you keep coming in over the top of genuine researchers, you are going to keep encountering resistance.

          And making an ad hominem assault in the context in which you are doing it is just another permutation of the same 25 Rules of Disinformation that caught you out the first time.

          All this angst and argument is very personal to you, it’s part of the schtick, I get that.

          But this is a serious topic. To free oneself from the lapdog media only to see new entrepreneurs try and recreate it is not acceptable.

          Walk away.

        3. You really are the bottom of the pit. You come here and pollute this excellent site with one ad hom after another, cloaked in the pretense you are monitoring the gates and keeping on the straight and narrow.

          What a farce! I have made contribution after contribution to JFK, 9/11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing and dozens and dozens of other subjects, while you lob spit balls and corrupt this fine forum.

          You are as disgusting as it gets in troll-land, where you appear to be on the top of the heap. But like cow dung, that is not a quality in demand here, where those in search of truth value truth seekers, not frauds.

        4. 25 Rules of Disinformation, Rule 18:

          18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how ‘sensitive they are to criticism.’

        5. Of course the ones accusing you of disinfo must fight hard. When you look at the activism of our one-party system, always the war party (as Gore Vidal put it), they have agendas to meet and people to pay so that distrust is sown even among those who understand that these fake terror events are psyops. After all the propaganda was developed to be believed so that other things can be inflicted on the public, such as hating other countries and starting wars. As remote as the recent SHES event and the Boston Marathon (related to it by the “dedication” to SHES) show, things tend to leak out. Photos of an event show its falsehood, even though the body count was always suspect. They’ve condemned themselves or perhaps foreign intelligence has leaked the images to us. Whatever it is, you can see that the whole mess is heating up.

          Many people predicted that Russia would be targeted during the Olympics, and voila! Chechens were cast as our enemy probably so that we could deny we use them when we attack Russia in places like Syria and Ukraine. The whole thing smells of a run-up to war with the ally of Russia, Iran, and a general conflagration in the area. Nor has the other member of the Axis of Evil from Bush’s State of the Union been forgotten. The media is all over North Korea lately, suddenly noticing that it is running camps like the Nazis. When that N-word is used, you know they are in the sights of someone’s big gun.

          How could these domestic events be linked to geopolitical ambitions? Well, easy. If you can get the population into your pocket as with 9/11, if you can make them say with you that black is white and white is black, and get them cheering for your militarism, you’ve set the stage for more war. It’s a question of conditioning them to accept your “security”, your “protection”, and to get them to believe that when they go on one of your insane raids, they are merely defending the country.

          It is the system of government which we now have in which I vote no confidence. I do not attack the messengers who have exposed it and offered a forum to discuss its lies.

        6. Prof Fetzer – No need to defend against comics’ slurs. Move on. Bigger, more meaningful, battles await your team. Stay focused and remember that MANY are supporting and appreciate your research.

        7. flyingtigercomics, to accuse someone of disinforming, particularly on purpose as would be a requirement for the charge, is a fairly serious thing to do. Otherwise all people who are either semi-informed, or just taking their own spin on an issue, become somehow intentional agents of TPTB.

          It seems to cheapen that power – to call out real disinformation – to hurl it around casually. As someone who aims to point out how much disinformation comes out of the government, or some entity, I personally make sure that my claims are either grounded in solid, directly-related facts or attach to my arguments a disclaimer admitting to not being 100% certain.

          Your inability to elucidate the exact mechanics linking Jim Fetzer’s work to your abstract ‘rules’ fails to prove much to me. I certainly have a high regard for Sophia’s work, without of course being able to vouch for every claim she makes (and who is right 100% of the time?). I am not as familiar with Jim Fetzer’s work, although shallowly acquainted, and give him major points, if not all in this round at least, for standing in public and making his claims, as opposed to your position of hurling them from the safety of anonymity.

        8. ETA: I meant to write ‘if perhaps all’ regarding this particular round between Jim Fetzer and his anonymous accusers.

        9. @ Mr. Fetzer who wrote to Flyingtigercomics: You really are the bottom of the pit.

          No one here is the “bottom of the pit”.

          Let’s put egos aside and focus on what’s important. After all, we’re all in this together!

        10. Prof Fetzer,

          The questions which need to be put to the parents of the fake SH victims are.

          1. Why haven’t you i initiated legal action against the state on conneticut for gross negligence by not trying to save any of the injured at Sandy Hook by way of medical aid or Life Flight helicopters ?

          2. As parents of murdered victims why did you not identify the bodies of your loved ones when that is required by law ?

          Those are the tough questions that must be put to these fraud artists.

          Also why not organize a $1 donation drive for 1000 people and then launch a class action suit for fraud against the state of conneticut, the families of the fake victims and all responders involved which would allow deposition and requests for disclosure in a court of law ?

        11. Fetzer asserts, in this thread, something about 9/11 and “mini-nukes”. No well-educated adult without a “hidden” agenda would do that. First, you’re marginalized if you point out the illogical half-truths of the MSM, and then you’re marginalized if you do the same thing within “the movement”. Being rational, well-educated and immune to ridiculous propaganda leaves one in a very lonely position. What is it about the “normal” human that leaves her/him so open to nonsense from Authority Figures? We’re being set up, folks. Again. Know this: freeing ourselves from Psychopath Rule will take generations. Be brave and don’t give in.

        12. Saying pretty much anything so out there is derailing a forum about Sandy Hook.

          Sandy Hook is the topic, not 9/11.

          25 Rules of Disinformation, Rule 17: Change The Subject. …

          Just sayin’.

          And I totally agree, thinking that swapping flavours of Kool Aid from lapdog media to alternative media would-be leader is pointless and dangerous.

        13. I seem to recall that you were attacking me before I had even shown up here, which was changing the subject from Sandy Hook to me. If that is a sign of a disinformation agent, then you would seem to be the one who qualifies, not me. I have only been rebutting rubbish by the likes of you. I have published so much on so many subjects that SURELY if I have mistakes, then it should be easy for you to say what I have wrong.

          Here’s my presentation from the “Open Your Mind” Conference in Philly last year where I talk about the Boston bombing, Osama bin Laden, JFK and Sandy Hook. There is much more to be said about all of them, but you are welcome to zoom in and attack. Of course, we can stick to Sandy Hook, but you seem insistent on attacking me instead. Why?

        14. Tiger: note 9/11 is not entirely off-topic, I submit. For if u try to classify the particular within the GENUS, u find Sandy Hook “event” is a HUGE BIG-LIE, in which the people are induced to fooling themselves, they grasping well enough the ENORMITY of the proposition, but then telling themselves, “nooooooooooo–it couldn’t be a hoax by our gov.–they wouldn’t dare.” But they DO “dare,” as the BIG-LIE requires CHUTZPAH, and this is enhanced to extent the people, poor souls, credit the mass-corp. “news-media.”

          So Sandy Hook event then can well be compared w. other BIG-LIES, like present “climate-change,” 9/11, and JFK assassination–all huge, BIG-LIES foisted upon the poor people.

          If Fetzer is vulnerable to bona-fide criticism, u gotta substantiate ur general charges (“dis-info agent,” etc.) w. specific instances–which u don’t do. Further, u’d have to start w. Sandy Hook instance, and only after this, u could introduce other facts, like about 9/11.

        15. OK I agree that 9/11 or indeed any particular thing may be on topic in context, but not when it is used to derail a specific discussion into generalities or over the top claims. Extraordinary claims really do require extraordinary evidence.

  19. Mr. Halbig needs to be kept in the public eye so he isn’t suicided, and all genuine seekers of truth need to stop media whores and attention whores from overshadowing him, appropriating his clear headed work or confusing the issues he raises with their own crap.

    I note with delight that he speaks English and uses normal English terms rather than confabulatory phraseology such as “dimensions”, “vicsims” and the rest of the garbonzo beans.

    Halbig is perfectly qualified for his task, all he really needs is a responsive audience to promulgate his work whilst at the same time starving the lapdog media of oxygen.

    1. Fetzer must seem like a “thank goodness someone else with credentials” is partnering with me on this. Dr. Tracy welcomed Dr. Fetzer’s involvement as well. Unlike Dr. Tracy, Jim Fetzer seems everywhere on several hoax events. I’m not smart enough to know what controlled opposition is but Jim Fetzer might be.

      1. Ben: Fetzer says Sandy Hook seems to be more an elaborated DRILL–not real event–isn’t this clear enough on this issue?–what do u want?

        U don’t know what “controlled opposition,” but u do seem to think u know enough that Fetzer is such controlled opposition?–ho ho ho–makes lots of sense.

        1. Apollonian, Fetzer is repeating the research of others when he makes the “drill went live people died” theory. Appropriation of that concept without adding to it or researching it further ie doing some real work on it is not helpful and it takes away from real researchers.

          Check out The Paulstal Service and Names Not Mary on YouTube for example. And there are a legion of others.

        2. Tiger: this is REALLY nit-picking, and rather reaching, lame criticism, I must say. All a teacher would say to a student is–if u use someone else’s research, give a citation, eh? Fetzer is entitled to slight mistakes, and if it isn’t slight, but rather large mistake, then u need to say how, I think. All u end-up doing is making for sympathy for poor Fetzer, as folks see u “protesteth too much.”

        3. Hm. I never heard of Fetzer saying that is what he thought.

          The facebook sandytrolls are now changing their tack to ” I know that kids died! My nephew played soccer with so and so… But I do have questions about the official story…bla bla”

          When did Jim Fetzer say “drill went live?” I’ve actually heard him say emphatically the opposite when he interviews people like Sophia, but I guess you missed that since you don’t seem to like her either…

        4. Indeed Susan: I missed that–and not only that, but there’s recent blog on that subject, this very site–Fetzer makes it clear NO ONE died.

        5. Oh, I was responding to tiger comics, apollonian. I like the research Paulstal and namesnotmary do also, we are all on the same side, even if we don’t agree on particulars. As long as the actors involved in this event keep stonewalling, we are going to continue to twiddle our thumbs and get into little battles over minutiae. They count on it and obviously send in the trolls to make it happen. Who started it??

      2. I don’t want to unleash hate on anyone but I have to say, Fetzer fits the profile of a disinformation agent in as much as he derails every discussion and provides contamination by association for Tracy and now Halbig. That is of concern.

        I agree the relief of credentialled people agreeing with you is a source of comfort, but that’s kind of how that type of disinfo agent works.

        I’ve raised the concern about Dr. Tracy too- he is too valuable and too good to have his own activity diluted. For example during the storm in a teacup over Alex Jones and those who criticise him. Tracy ended up supporting in a war he had no essential interest in- and the effect is to polarise people about Tracy, not Jones.

        Of course Jones, Fetzer, “Smallstorm” and the rest are all marketers, not truthers, and it shows. Tracy and Halbig are cut from very different cloth.

        We have out Captain Marvel and our Batman. we don’t need a Booster Gold.

        1. Right! A former Marine Corps officer who has devoted more than 20 years exposing the complicity of the government in the death of JFK, the atrocities of 9/11, the plane crash that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing and the NSA surevillance program is BOUND to be an op!

          Because I have a radio show (archives at and write for Veterans Today ( and have been focusing on these issues during my retirement, I cover a lot of ground. But if you can’t tell me and Sofia from ops, you aren’t cut out for to address any of this.

        2. James, You have done important research and you are without a doubt a great American. Thank you for fighting the good fight.

        3. I second sandy. I dont always agree with fetzers methods or even his conclusions but hos work on wellstone alone is admirable. Definitely agood american.

        4. Fetzer, your work on helping Judyth Vary Baker is admirable, and in many other areas you’ve done a service exposing various issues. Not a fan of your support for Wood, and to my knowledge you’ve never had a program or written about the Pentagon being a flyover, proven with government provided data on pilots for 9/11 truth.

        5. You fall into a special category of those who dismiss exposing crimes by the government as though establishing the truth about JFK, 9/11 and other events were a trivial task someone like you could undertake.

          I have applied my abilities as a professional scholar to investigating what happened, who was responsible and why. That is indispensable in establishing the knowledge necessary to take responsible action.

          But, as your sneering remark reflects, you know perfectly well that the US government, when caught with its pants down, is going to protect itself–where petty persons like you serve their goal as gullible saps.

          This nation is corrupt to its core, where we have had a succession of presidents who would never have held that position but for the death of JFK. Even Obama only sustains his position by lying to the people.

          If you take pride in denigrating those of us who are doing our best to expose falsehoods and reveal truths–even though we know we will not be able to attain justice on our own–that confirms your low character.

          I have had to deal with hundreds of trolls and shills, but you stand out as among the most blatant and despicable. I am sorry, but you have nothing of value to contribute and have shown you do not belong here.

        6. Ben: do u think US Federal Reserve Bank COUNTERFEITING scam will suffer any arrests or suits–long as they can still churn out that funny money to paying bribes, assassins, and shills like u? Ho ho ho ho ho

        7. Marzi, You are way out of date. I have published many articles about the Pentagon and have not supported Judy Wood for years. On the Pentagon, see “What didn’t happen at the Pentagon”, “Planes/No Planes and ‘video fakery'”, and “The Complete Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference”, which not only lays out the evidence that none of the “official” 9/11 planes crashed on 9/11 but explains that the destruction of the WTC appears to have been carried out using mini or micro nukes, where some of my recent articles about this include “9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings II”, “Mystery Solved: The WTC was Nuked on 9/11”, and “9/11: A World Swirling in a Volcano of Lies”, where Dennis Cimino and I reconcile the roles of large nukes, small nukes and naothermite to explain how the Twin Towers were done.

        8. You are highly defensive with your constant repetition of your catechism.

          It isn’t any accident you pal around with other people who, to put it charitably, come late and throw smoke bombs.

          In terms of being a disinfo agent, it’s the fruit of the tree by which we judge, if we’re sensible.

          And to emphasize to any onlookers, what it may really be about for you, you are pimping a radio show and a website. Is it about money for you? Because pretty much all the best researchers are losing money over this. This topic is unworthy to be turned into clickbait by people mulching other people’s work into pablum.

        9. I took your suggestion and looked at the articles you recommend and in the comments of 9/11: A World Swirling in a Volcano of Lies”, written by you and Dennis Cimino, Dick Eastman writes, ” . . . Fetzer argues that all the planes were holograms — it is very clear that this is an operative.” He also challenges you to a debate.

        10. Marzi, You went to that article and this is the best you could do? Dick Eastman likes to grandstand. That article is the most read on VT this week, so he wants to invite attention to himself. I debated him before:

          Wednesday, July 24, 2013
          Dick Eastman vs. Jim Fetzer
          9/11 debate over “the planes” in New York
          Posted by Total at 11:44 PM 47 comments:

          This is so far removed from Sandy Hook that it really does not belong here. I will consider whether devoting the time to Dick Eastman, who has (in my opinion) lost his way, is an appropriate allocation of resources. If we do debate, I am sure word will reach

        11. Prof. Fetzer, thanks for all you do. It takes courage to speak your mind and suffer the repercussions from those who, apparently, would silence anyone they disagree with. I’ve enjoyed many of your articles and the topics you present.

          Please keep it up. Apparently some of the material is “too much” for the narrow-minded. It should be sufficient for those to simply not read what they don’t wish to be exposed to. It must be a very “comfortable” place for them.

          Thanks again, and please, keep digging.

      3. If, in your own opinion, you are not smart enough to know what controlled opposition is, how can you speculate that Dr. Fetzer might be one? I know what controlled opposition is (Fox News, e.g.) and I do not believe Dr. Fetzer fits the bill.

        1. Onslow: I think the real pt. is that everyone can be assumed, at least at first, to trying to get to the truth–till they prove they’re just counter-productive to that end.

          For everyone will have his/her diff. angles to things. And the pt. is to keeping to the substance and NOT getting off on ad-hominem distractions entailing who is a “dis-info op,” as this requires def. and expo on what a dis-info op is and does, etc.

        2. flyingtigercomments is long on smears, short on evidence. I would be surprised if he had ever read any of my articles or books, apart from this one. I am not paid of any of this, but that’s the kind of claim the CIA suggests using against critics of THE WARREN REPORT. And Martha seems eager to chime in. What have either of you ever done to expose falsehoods and reveal truths about any of these matters–other than to toss a few grenades into discussion forums like this one? I am sure Jim does not like ad hominems here, but that’s all we are getting from you and her. If you have something to contribute that might be of value, do that; but attacking me without any reason doesn’t cut it. OK?

        3. I agree, flyingtiger doesn’t offer much evidence. I went back to read again his posts, and I don’t see much substance.

          I think just about everyone (within the truth movement) has been called a dis-info agent at some point. I even saw someone claiming Dr. Tracy to be an agent on a Youtube message board!!

          I think the best advice for anyone trying to avoid shills and dis-info agents is to always keep moving, find new sources to follow, question everything you hear, open up to new possibilities, listen to the enemy too, and try to be a good filter!

        4. Agree Bill Fred – and while it is hard for me…I have to remind myself not to feed the “trolls”…the agents of the dis-info agents or just the ignorant. I wonder if some of them are thoe folks who write about “making $xxxx on the Internet for working a few horus per day.” Ha ha.

        5. There is only one party in our government – The Party. Both officially acknowledged parties act as controlled op ultimately. It’s always been this way, more or less, it’s just that within the last 50 and particularly 15 years the gap between the empowered, the top 1.5%, and the middle class of semi-dupes has widened so that soon all of the latter will be total dupe serfs.

        6. ” It’s always been this way, more or less”

          Actually, that’s not true. It is the Civil War that changed everything. Prior to that event, there was a true debate about what the central government’s role should be, and it was essentially a stalemate. This drove the activist faction, the Yankees, insane with rage, which we can see when they finally got a chance to crush their opponent: Sherman’s march to the sea was an expression of decades of pent up rage.

          The Yankee oligarchs created a party, the Republicans, that was to be the vehicle to put their lawyer in the White House; once he had successfully ended the debate about the role of the Federal government, they did away with him, and made him a sainted martyr. He is foolishly worshipped to this day.

          It is true that Grover Cleveland represented a genuine difference of opinion, but the vast landslide created by Lincoln’s war could not be stopped: Cleveland’s policies are best seen as a man driving a steamship against the flow of a powerful river. Lincoln’s generals next task was to do to the Plains Indian tribes what they had done to Atlanta, indeed all the South, to make the west safe for Northern railroads–the people who were Lincoln’s clients before they bought him the White House. Washington began to become what it is today, under Grant. They called it the Great Barbecue. Behemoth corporations only achieved their vastness because of the new federal government that emerged out of the war.

          After the Indians were destroyed, the war party had to continue, so it was on to Cuba and the Philippines, and Hawaii. Internal consolidation was next, with the largest banks organizing a cartel and tricking the American people into believing that giving JP Morgan et al an exclusive monopoly on money creation would be good for the common man.

          The Fed enabled the war party to finance a disastrous war in Europe–actually two of them.

          And, under Roosevelt, internal consolidation continued, as the bureaucracy grew to unimagined dimensions.

          And so on, up to today, when all is utterly lawless, and no pretense of an alternative is tolerated.

          Once the War to Prevent Southern Independence was won by the wrong side, the systematic movement toward 1984 was never in doubt.

        7. Great summing up Patrick, and on some levels I have to agree with you. But this simplification works only because some pesky facts are left out. What about, for instance, the ongoing role of British banking, eh? What about the morality play that was slavery and abolition? What about the ties of John Wilkes Booth to people who desired the complete control of the Caribbean and Mexico, tied to forces of reaction in France and Spain? History is full of maybes.

          But I will completely grant you the points about Sherman, Sheridan, the grids of destruction and the Plains Indians (as well as more coastal tribes like the Modocs) – their eradication was driven partly by what the railroads wanted, partly by the drive to extend total hegemony (which had to be scaled back to the reservation system) over tribal peoples.
          People like Teddy Roosevelt were to talk out of both sides of their mouth about the Indians. The evil mastermind thinking tended to reside in only a few people. Some were confused about their goals, as with slavery itself.

        8. “What about the ties of John Wilkes Booth to people who desired the complete control of the Caribbean and Mexico, tied to forces of reaction in France and Spain?”

          Booth had almost nothing to do with the assassination; if he is the one who killed Lincoln, he had nothing at all to do with the plot. Read Dave McGowan’s current series of articles: (Anatomy of a Presidential Assassination
          or All the Stuff that Bill O’Reilly and Various Others Left Out of their Lengthy Works of Historical Fiction)

          I hold that slavery had nothing to do with the North’s invasion of the South. It was about the tariff, and the fact that Lincoln’s masters were now going to be in charge. The South essentially delivered a copy of the Declaration of Independence in response: I’m out of here.

          As I have argued here repeatedly, almost everything we think we know about American history is false. “Abolitionism” was a ginned-up, largely fake, movement to run interference for the Yankees to finally stop the decades-long “Southern veto” on Henry Clay’s (Lincoln’s hero, incidentally) desire to transform the federal government into, well, what it became. The South stopped it at every turn.

          Again, as I have argued before, the worst thing that ever happened to this country was the failure of the Antifederalists to stop the ratification of the Constitution: the country was too big already, under the Articles of Confederation. And again, as I have said here before, as well, the Southern states should never have agreed to the 3/5 provision. They should have demanded that EVERY PERSON be counted in the census. If the North had agreed to this, the Yankee states, of course, would never have gotten anything through Congress, and never sent a president to Washington, so they would have kept their repeated threats to secede. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Let them set up their own crabbed, nasty little country. As it is, they won, and transformed the whole continent–indeed, much of the world–into their ugly image.

          The point is size. America kept growing, and should not have done. Slavery would never have survived in an America where the Louisiana Purchase never happened. Certainly, were it not for Lincoln’s side winning the war, his despicable generals would not have wiped out the Plains Indian tribes, much less launched the war against Spain.

          Lots of little countries in North America would have forestalled the creation of the vast corporations. There would be no Dulles brothers to traverse the globe, fiddling with the governments of little countries to protect the interests of said corporations.

          Still, as long as the South stood, evenly balanced with the North, stopping the vision of Lincoln’s clients’ interests prevailing, the monstrosity the Yankees wanted to create was forever on hold. THAT’S why they created Lincoln, and killed him. The South did not kill Lincoln. His masters did that.

          As for the spread of slavery into the Caribbean, that’s got to be balanced with Lincoln’s life long desire to remove every black person from this country. Both sides had lunatic factions. Unfortunately, the Yankees got THEIR lunatic into ultimate power.

        9. Patrick, that was interesting, and timely. I was talking with my wife this weekend about PRECISELY this thing. I had been doing some reading on the KGC. Most people think that the Civil War was all about slavery. It was a component, not a reason.

          My wife grew up in the UDC. They referred to it as “The War of Northern Aggression” (a much better title). My mother’s side all were Southerners. My father’s side came from New England. History is written by the victors.

          Federalism is what it was about. Asserting centralized power. People thought of themselves as “Virginians” or “Georgians”, not “United Statesers”. The federal government was supposed to be very limited. After all, wasn’t the original idea that we “ruled ourselves”?

          Now this motley crew of bankster employees exercises absolute dominance from their encampments in D.C. and Tel Aviv. The reason they won’t leave us alone is that they see us as a commodity. We’re here for their use.

          Myself, I’ll go on considering myself as a citizen. I consider them to be “boils on the ass of time”.

        10. Fancy footwork, Patrick, but historical facts are stubborn things. It depends on whether you see populist movements in America as having any impact. I assert they were essential. Part of what we are going through now is our own “Indianization” where those of us descended from people who did things by they own assertions and exertions are finding themselves in a different world.

          Need I go into how pioneers moving West of their own volition (I am talking about the settling of Ohio, the deep South, Kentucky, etc.) had an effect on treaties made in Washington without control over these westering people. I am talking about churches and small newspapers in the North holding testimonies and printing stories about slaves, starting just after the Revolution, before there was ever a big press in some northern city. They didn’t like certain things: kings, popes, slaveowners. They effectively steered things harder than they could ever do now.

          Isn’t that what we are grieving for here? The loss of popular will.

          But at the same time, we see these hokey incidents which almost look like some usurpation by a cabal (SHES) based on their drive to ban guns (for whatever reason). And that has the flavor of campus hoaxes like some of us saw in the anti Vietnam war era.

          Why are we here? It’s about our own popular sovereignty being manipulated. And why does it matter? Because that was not always how we did business before the empire really got going.

          Don’t tell me the South was going to hold together either, or that states rights would have been the way. I don’t think so. It just would have been a different empire. And I think we can saw with almost complete certainty – although he was involved in a probably massive conspiracy, the triggerman of Lincoln’s demise was John Wlkes Booth and I have no reason to doubt it, because he was proud of what he did and proclaimed it on a stage. This puts him in a totally different category than Oswald, who wasn’t where they said he was and denied doing it, and had no reason to do it either.

        11. Thanks to the contributors of this history lesson. Not being a native to this country I really appreciate this valid discussion and information. Never too old to learn from others. I have travelled all over these supposedly united states and of interest to me were historical buildings and the official history attached to each. One that made a lasting impression was Hildene, The Lincoln Family Home in Vermont. Robert Todd Lincoln, oldest son of his famous parents, spent summers here. The gardens and the 1000-pipe organ alone are well worth a visit.

        12. Breaking out of the last column prison, I reply to my dear friend musings. She said: “Fancy footwork, Patrick, but historical facts are stubborn things.”

          I like being complimented on my footwork, but I suspect this is a backhanded compliment. I believe the facts are in my favor. You really should read Dave McGowan’s articles on the subject. It was physically impossible for the events we have been taught about the Lincoln murder to be true. It is Sandy Hook, in many ways.

          “Need I go into how pioneers moving West of their own volition (I am talking about the settling of Ohio, the deep South, Kentucky, etc.) had an effect on treaties made in Washington without control over these westering people. I am talking about churches and small newspapers in the North holding testimonies and printing stories about slaves, starting just after the Revolution, before there was ever a big press in some northern city. They didn’t like certain things: kings, popes, slaveowners. They effectively steered things harder than they could ever do now.”

          Certainly. But my point is that the power of the federal government should never have been made to happen, to protect these movements into Indian lands.

          There is a very fine book, called The Removal of the Chocktaw Indians. It is about Andrew Jackson’s betrayal, time after time, of the most civilized of the Indian tribes, to make way for settlers into Alabama and Mississippi. To make way for cotton plantations.

          I argue that none of these things should have been possible. Small is better. There should have been no such government that could enable such encroachment by white people into Indian lands.

          “Don’t tell me the South was going to hold together either, or that states rights would have been the way. I don’t think so. It just would have been a different empire.”

          Well, perhaps. For me, a further break up would be fantastic news. The smaller the state, the better. Empire is the goal of the state.

          We are a fallen race. Evil men consolidate power over their fellows, and create the state to control them. it is always thus. My goal is to point this out. In the case of America, leaving aside the Indians and the blacks, we had the most wonderful example of a state-free life, for three centuries. Then we threw it away. This should be known. I do my best to make it known.

  20. Thanks to all, Profs. Tracy and Fetzer, as well as all the contributors. I can’t wait to see if they respond. They are, no doubt, spending time in a huddle as we speak.

    Will the answers to these questions be as hollow as those provided thus far?

  21. If anyone wonders how important this is, I would just talk about an ad I just saw for Spaulding Rehab (which alleged to have helped “survivors” of the “Marathon Bombers”), that also included a story of a massive earthquake in Italy and some other events which had some independent verification that they really happened. I began to see the corrupted story of one event I knew to be false blurred the sense that the others were what they said. Let’s say you wanted to offer to charity and help people. How could you do it if you never knew which ones were real and which ones were put out as a source for political slush funds?

    If the SHES hoax fails, then it has to affect the much larger, much more corrupt Marathon Bumming and that in turn has to harm real charities, either because the public has given to the fake ones and starved the ones that feed the homeless, pay for children’s cancer treatment, help deal with real hurricanes and earthquakes or because the fake money funds now can metastasize and draw in ever larger amounts of money until they can never be prosecuted because of the pay-offs they can make, eventually making the public distrust any charity.

    1. I think what I meant to say was that even as the truth comes out, and I hope it will, confidence will for a time be shaken in even legitimate charities. But I think that in the long run it is worth it and not to allow this stuff to fester and ruin everything we believe in.

    2. I’ve come to believe that aside from Corporate Donations (which may be coerced) there are very few (if any) contributors to the so called ‘Charities’ that we hear so much about. What better way could there be for the Federal Government to quietly and secretly channel funds to the people that cooperated ? As Sophia Smallstorm asked in her video, “I don’t know anyone who donated, do you ?”

      1. In Boston, near where I live, there were if not traceable charitable donations, a lot of weird shrines set up near the alleged crime scenes. I saw one at MIT where they said Sean Collier was shot. It looked pretty tacky and not the style of MIT students or faculty, so maybe it was faked. But I do know that a lot of people who said they knew Sean Collier were acting mournful. It was also reported that normal charities which rely on donations particularly in cold times of year (and as tax write-offs for those who give) were hurting because of the diversion into the constantly solicited Boston One Fund. At least 60 corporate sponsors shelled out to them, sponsors which might have directed their charity elsewhere had they not been pressured to give to it.

        I really do think it had an adverse impact on normal compassion.

  22. This seems to sum up a lot of what is happening

    “One of the most serious conditions that enable the expansion of the corporate-state surveillance apparatus is the erasure of public memory. The renowned anthropologist David Price rightly argues that historical memory is one of the primary weapons to be used against the abuse of power and that is why “those who have power create a ‘desert of organized forgetting.’ ”

    “Since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, America has succumbed to a form of historical amnesia fed by a culture of fear, militarization and precarity.”

    1. Interesting article. But highly intellectual, as though it is all a fait accompli. Perhaps the eternal surveillance is itself partly illusion. And as for the anxiety to be complicit in the destruction of one’s own privacy (particularly for the younger generations) I am not so sure. Perhaps there are some bent on thwarting that exploitation of their lives.

    2. Nayleev, very nice. Yes, “amnesia” coupled with destruction of anything cohesive. All they have to do is control the adults long enough to program their offspring. Soon they won’t know who they are or where they came from.

  23. FWIW, I just visited and it looks like he’s linking to Fetzer and Wolfgang’s article on “Free Homes, Big Bucks for Sandy Hook Players” (but he has to fix the link). Right below that story he has “Sandy Hook Real Estate Agent Vanishes – Knew Too Much?” which links to this: Obviously, I have no idea if this guy had any connection to the shady real estate deals, but hopefully others can dig into this a bit further.

  24. Thank you Mr. Halbig!!

    I just noticed you posed the BIG QUESTION: *****”Who was the contractor who installed the security system at sandy Hook Elementary school and the total cost of the project?”*****

    In all my research, I’ve not found the Security Consultant named.

    As a follow-up, I think it is important to ask the scope of the project.

    On the topic of School Security, I would like to suggest an addition to “So What was Sandy Hook about?”

    That addition is “Peddling Fear for Cash.” Homeland Security contractors are chomping at the bit to get into America’s schools.

    In February, as a response to Sandy Hook, Ingersoll Rand announced on the website “Homeland Security Today”:

    “The greatest impediment to protecting school children is funding. Therefore, Ingersoll Rand has augmented its grant-funding consultation capability to school administrators, facility and maintenance personnel and others by offering data from its 24/7 cloud-based database of federal and state grant funding information that identifies $11.5 billion in funding sources.”


    The author Naomi Klein reports on the billion dollar export from Israel that fuels the US Homeland Security in her article “Labratory for a Fortressed World”,

    “But in researching the explosion of Israel’s homeland security sector, it strikes me that they are something else too: laboratories where the terrifying tools of our security states are being field-tested.

    Palestinians–whether living in the West Bank or what the Israeli politicians are already calling “Hamasistan”–are no longer just targets. They are guinea pigs.

    So in a way Friedman is right: Israel has struck oil. But the oil isn’t the imagination of its techie entrepreneurs. The oil is the war on terror, the state of constant fear that creates a bottomless global demand for devices that watch, listen, contain and target “suspects.” And fear, it turns out, is the ultimate renewable resource.”

    According to Klein’s article Israel now sends $1.2 billion in “defense” products to the United States–up dramatically from $270 million in 1999. In 2006 Israel exported $3.4 billion in defense products–well over a billion more than it received in US military aid. Much of this growth has been in the so-called “homeland security” sector. Before 9/11 homeland security barely existed as an industry.

    By the end of this year, Israeli exports in the sector will reach $1.2 billion–an increase of 20 percent. The key products and services are high-tech fences, unmanned drones, biometric IDs, video and audio surveillance gear, air passenger profiling and prisoner interrogation systems–precisely the tools and technologies Israel has used to lock in the occupied territories.”

    Consider this, if the US turns off the spigot that funds all this “Homeland Security” due to the lack of ROI (and lack of terrorists), a number Security Firms will be hurt financially.

    (However, 10 years later, DHS has been unable to establish goals or metrics to ensure that funds were used to make Americans safe, and cannot accurately measure how much safer we are today after spending $35 billion.

    Sen. Coburn’s report on the failures of “Homeland Security” is available for download here:

    1. Thank you for helping with the big picture here: a security industry which takes the term “protection racket” to new levels of criminality.

  25. I too called the Newtown assessors office after watching so many of “namesnotmary” You Tube videos. Curiosity got the best of me and I called the assessors office, wrote to Namesnotmary and she posted the information I gave her after my phone call with the assessors office on her YT channel a few months ago. When I made my call about the $0 sales price I took vague notes as what the girl was trying to tell me. There was a comment made above which was pretty much the same as what the woman told me, that they were doing a conversion of some sort but if I wanted to see the true sales price and date I would have to go to the Newtown Clerks Office online and click on “deeds” and enter the “book page” then you will see when the sale really happened and the real price. I clicked on it while she was on the phone with me and said to her “it costs $7.00 a day to log on and I don’t want to pay, can you just tell me like the price of the Lanza home?” And like I said I was writing as fast as I could and here is what she said as I am reading from poor notes from several months ago so I don’t know what she meant but my notes say she said “Delvick” November 1998 purchase price was $455.53 and then she said something which I didn’t get “July 2011 $575,000.” Then she said “date file is date of sale” I know this is probably not of much help as it was over my head and my notes are horrible but the gist of what she was telling me was basically the same thing as what the guy said above who called this same woman (he listed her name above in his comment and I’m sure it is the same woman I talked to and he understood I it a little better and explained it better than what I’m doing but we both have the same info but what I have is a tad different which is she told me to go to the town clerks page and click on “Deeds”, enter the book page for the property you are looking for and the correct sales price will come up. Like I said I didn’t follow through because I didn’t want to pay the $7.00 a day fee to log into it as it was over my head but she did give me the one I mentioned above for free since she could log in at no cost to her and I’m not positive if I told her specifically to look up Lanza home or if she just gave me one of the first ones on the list. She spoke matter of factly, was very polite so I honestly don’t think anything nefarious is happening here. I think someone who understands real estate deeds could simply do what she told me and solve this in 5 minutes and report their findings.

  26. We dont need to come up with a version of what happened. We just need to keep pointing out inconsistencies and asking questions they refuse to answer. Its their job to prove their case

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