Truth Jihad / No Lies Radio, Feb 21, 2014 334

Kevin Barrett is joined by James Tracy and Jim Fetzer on Truth Jihad Radio for February 21, 2014. They discuss recent developments in research on the Sandy Hook massacre and Boston Marathon bombing events, including the article, “Top Ten Reasons Sandy Hook Was an Elaborate Hoax,” the history of false flag terror, and milquetoast university administrators’ Orwellian quest to stamp out critical thought.

Link to episode page on No Lies Radio, 2/21/14


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  1. Threats to one’s safety, one’s well-being are woven implicitly and overtly into the so-called security apparatus erected over every Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, 9/11 incident. They protect you (supposedly) but the powers-that-be also want to make sure that everyone understands what the consequences will be for stepping out of line. Retaliation will be overt; that’s how they extend its effects. And as for the cowardice on display in the university, the administrators are beholden to the power elites, and most academicians are timid. They’ve gone through a long period of hard work and indoctrination to get where they are; most of them will balk, needing a very good reason to put all that in jeopardy. Assange, Snowden, Manning, (also James Tracy, Wolfgang Halbig, et al) these people serve as examples to the rest of us of what will happen to those who do not mind their own business, keep their heads down. This is the Kafkaesque environment of fear and uncertainty characteristic of a police state. “They” no longer care if you know how phony it all is, whether you may have figured out that Sandy Hook was theater. What matters is that you respect power and understand what can be done to you if you become unruly. Indulge your sense of outrage on internet blogs and you might find when you next show up at the airport that you can’t go anywhere. The chance may be remote, but if you’re concerned, the implicit threat designed to keep you silent and obedient has served its purpose. We have Cheney, Bush, the Neocons and now Obama et al to thank for this. They’re all guilty as hell. There’s no war on Terror; the whole thing is a complete fabrication for the purpose of keeping the MID in business, and our increasingly rotten-to-the-core government standing on its wobbly legs. I don’t see any future for America short of revolution. It’s not a good option… but hopefully, the American people will be smart enough, determined enough, brave enough, patient enough to forge a revolution based upon peaceful non-cooperation, a la Gandhi. There’s a slim chance we could emerge as a stronger nation, one with greater vision than we had way back then. Good luck to us all.

    • I have to take issue with your point that if one indulges one’s sense of outrage on internet blogs one will encounter the no-fly list etc. I actually do not believe that will happen, because it would show that they take you seriously. They don’t. They ignore us. Even the so-called shills are unlikely to be government hirelings, except in isolated cases for specific missions. This is from the point of view of government a safety valve. We’re not the heroes in the story. We are analysts, not operatives, and thus are not to be feared by the PTB. But amongst ourselves, as a body, we represent a resistant attitude. Whether this attitude becomes more general depends less upon us than upon whether the regime screws up and angers the wrong interest group or just generally messes up with a plot that falls apart so everyone can see behind the stage sets and curtains. There are isolated instances where this has indeed happened (building 7 of the WTC), and then their job is to ignore it and leave it out of red herring discussions.

      • Would you say, then, there is more to fear in a shill than a paid operative? If a shill makes minimum wage at a call center and thinks he is part of the establishment, is he?

      • We are basically in agreement: I didn’t say the No Fly list would be one’s future, I said that fear, the fear itself, of possibly being put on the No Fly list would work to curb one’s actions. That’s what I see happening. We see the consequences that someone like Professor Tracy, or Wolfgang Halbig, suffer as a result of speaking up and we are tacitly forewarned that this is the future for troublemakers so be careful what you do and say. I was speaking to the question raised in the interview re why more people don’t become involved. This is also how I explain to myself why the PTB don’t seem concerned about the fact that their own actions suggest GUILTY as hell. What they seem to be more concerned about is keeping the public disarmed and obedient. And I do think that is a very large concern. If it isn’t, it should be. So on that point of whether or not they take what’s happening out here in blog land seriously, (which means the public’s reaction in general), I think they take it very seriously. That’s why Halbig lost his computer connection. It’s also why Obama didn’t get to bomb Syria last Fall. And the next big opportunity for Americans to wake up is happening right now in the Ukraine — if only we could figure out what US culpability is so we know what to say about it.

      • noname: the basis, for practical purposes, of present satanic world dictatorship is US Federal Reserve (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam which is behind everything else of organized crime. See and for expo on Fed fraud.

        In the abstract, it’s “Decline of the West,” by Oswald Spengler, whence a corrupted, now over-populated people indulges in HUBRIS of “good-evil” Pharisaism, having overthrown founding Christian honesty and worship of TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH above all/any other precepts (Gosp. JOHN 14:6).

        So it will get WORSE as time passes, economy (currency) collapsing as we speak, un-rest of the people a serious problem for ZOG, who will indeed resort to putting people on No fly list for any dissent whatever.

      • Dude, I thought the good doc already asked you to STFU!!! Please do so, we don’t need your opinion about the fed on every comment.

      • Mr. Bill: calm down–try to get a grip. U don’t like my comments then just ignore them. And speak for urself instead of pretending to know what everyone else thinks.

      • If you have any experience in message boards, you would know that heavy commenting and opinions on every matter are not welcome. Sorry you don’t know that.

        Doc Tracy did tell you to STFU, so its not just my opinion. When big daddy tells you something, maybe you should listen.

      • Hey Billy boy: look son, I really think u’re one who should STFU, but u don’t seem to be too bright. Try to be cool, little man, u don’t like what I write, don’t read–get it? How many times u need to be told?–grow-up, for goodness sakes.

      • apollonian

        You are proving yourself to be a shrill – change topic, fill tons of space with the same copy and paste gibberish , insult folks. Perhaps you should create your own blog where you keep repeating yourself to yourself.

      • Ho ho ho–I knew the Zionist neo-con would chime in sooner or later w. his buddy Billy, but Kathy same goes for u–don’t like what I write, just skip over it–simple, eh?

      • Lets say I walk into a crowded restaurant where all the guests are enjoying their meals, and I start screaming out loud. Should I say “skip over my screaming,” and tell everyone not to bother listening to me?

        This is my last post arguing with your sorry ass, out of respect of the host. Hopefully enough people will chime in and the good Doc will ban you.

      • this OBVIOUSLY isn’t a crowded restaurant, genius, ho ho ho ho ho. “Arguing”?–u never had an argument, little man–just a small pip squeaking, that’s all, ho ho ho ho.

    • Noname: think you should do some research on both Snowden and Greenwald. Their PR does not necessarily match deep background.

      Check out Jon Rappoport ( on Snowden’s affiliations with the spook world. And check out Greenwald’s checkered past on Dave Emory’s blog–

      Many think Emory is too radical an ideolog to be credible. But I find his amazing documentation over the span of decades far outstrips so
      many accredited pundits and alternative Internet sites. Sometimes I am not convinced but that is rare.

      Just my opinion. I like to cover all bases. A character flaw?
      Back when I have tracked down links.

      • Marilyn,

        Solid advice from those links on Snowden and Greenwald. A while back I posted a video with Sibel Edmonds discussing several concerns she has with this combo. (I’m sorry I don’t remember where it was since I’ve posted on so many different issues on Dr. Tracy’s blog.)

        I love Rappoport’s simple approach…. go to any library and read 20,000 pages… don’t bother taking notes… just read the pages. That simple statement explains the absurdity of Snowden’s explanation that he vetted everything he took.

        I hate to criticize whistleblowers and don’t do it easily… something just isn’t right with the Snowden/Greenwald duo.

      • John, you may have found the Sibel Edmonds discussion on the Corbett
        Report. She certainly took Greenwald to task on that episode for what she characterized as “auctioning off” the info in Snowden’s cache. Shje was very funny, mimicing an auctioneer’s spiel. Very entertaining. And sad because he has fooled many people who thought he was authentic.

    • I would really appreciate it if Kevin Barrett, James Tracy and Jim Fetzer would look into my research regarding Annie(Anne) Haddad clearly being the woman who was playing Nancy Lanza.

      I have assembled a newer set of videos proving this point beyond a shadow of a doubt, this woman who looks exactly like Nancy Lanza (they’re the same person obviously) was on the frickin Sandy Hook PTA and nobody mentions she looks exactly like Nancy Lanza? She’s a house wife and has 7 aliases? What’s going on here?

      Mr. Tracy, if you could spend just a few minutes watching the video, and perhaps send it to your colleagues and idealy form a rebuttal I would appreciate it, this took a lot of research and I think it’s the final nail in the coffin for this hoax- with a flesh and blood person who can be questioned and end this entire farce, proving it was a massive scam has been completely exposed.

      Part 1


      • Paulstal. Those are an awful lot of interesting coincidences and connections and I do agree that they appear to be the same person. I find your evidence to be compelling. Nice work.

      • Thank you very much, it’s taken a while to compile all that information and present it in a digestible fashion. I hope it leads to an arrest.

        I really hope Mr. Tracy, Barret, and Fetzer and law enforcement still working for the people of the US take a long look at this information as it is total PROOF this was a hoax, with a flesh and blood person still alive who can be questioned.

        Hopefully we can get some real law enforcement (or get a lawyer) to question this “Anne Haddad” character who was in the Sandy Hook PTA and looks exactly like the allegedly killed Nancy Lanza.

        There’s just too many coincidences going on here – if she just looked exactly like “Nancy Lanza” that would be reason enough, but being on the Sandy Hook PTA thing, the proximity in the neighborhood, Anne being a nickname for Nancy, her having 7 aliases, her being married to a Peter, and teaching a “learning disabled child”, and working at Sandy Hook schools is way too much to overlook.

      • @ThePaulstalService- Great work. Very compelling. I happen to have Fetzer’s email, so I’ll make a point of sending your work to him tomorrow.

        Also, I would encourage you and others to listen to this interview Deanna Spingola did with Wolfgang Halbig. Although Deanna is in the alternative media, she is highly (and suspiciously) invested in promoting the MSM narrative around Sandy Hook.

        And, as PatColo said in another post, it was quite an indictment, a discrediting, an embarrassment for… Spingola!

        And be sure to check out the comments–it’s amazing to see how aggressive the trolls are

      • Paulstal –

        You nailed it, wonder if she is still there and what the land deeds look like for both properties. Explains why Nancy’s neighbors initially reported they did not know her.


        All gun owners care immensely about the corrupted gun laws enacted in CT and NY. Think MA & NJ are still in the works. The bottom line is hundreds of thousands of law abiding citizens are now considered felons.

        They are vowing on a national level to revolt when the first swat team attacks a citizen with arrest and seizure of his property.

      • As much as I’d like to believe a version of the 18th century minutemen will emerge, Kathy, and throw off the tyranny, I’m afraid I can’t see it happening. I hope you are right and I am wrong, though.

      • You know how I know I nailed it? I posted those videos on GodlikeProductions under the name “FuxNews” and within 2 days I was banned from the website (IP Banned).

        Ironic- seeing as how I violated none of the website rules, was never warned, and there is total crap posted there all day long, yet this thread was apparently so dangerous to them I got IP banned (and anyone else who bumps the thread gets banned as well)

        The thread on Godlikeproductions was called “How Sandy Hook (and the World) was Fooled Annie Haddad is Nancy Lanza” Attempt to bump that thread for yourself and see what happens- likely you will get banned too.

        Proof that the topic and information is very dangerous, and Godlikeproductions is a disinfo honey-pot website (as if we needed more proof of that).

      • Paulstal, I agree with you 100%, they are the same. Victoria Munoz is another CIA agent that has appeared at countless Drills to date also.

        We will not be able to do much with the Sandy Hook Bunch, unless we get the masses on board. Why? Very simple. I passed through Newtown, CT last week on my way back from a business trip to MA. Newtown, CT is a make believe place, just like SHES was. I have challenged many on this blog here to prove to me that the population of Newtown is 28,000 as reported by wiki. I know that the population is way under 500, because I was hard pressed to find 50 people during my drive through the entire town.

        Newtown is the town that isn’t there, a virtual ghost town, a potemkin village and nothing more.

      • You know, John, I have followed this line of thought of yours with great interest, but have not commented on it because it is too far outside my knowledge. But what you say here reminded me of a conversation I had this morning with a friend who is not against the things I tell him go on here at MHB. He trusts me that our intrepid researchers really ARE coming up with the truth, by examining the trails of breadcrumbs left behind by the conspirators.

        The problem was, who cares? We are looking at a hoax so complete, if you are correct, not only was there no school, there wasn’t even a town. And the local government there can even legislate a blackout on public records, so no one can even probe the story. It is a lie so big it can hardly be imagined.

        But no one can be bothered to question it. No one in the wider public can be made to listen to us. We are like the forest the tree falls in and no one hears the sound of it crashing down.

        If you are correct, and Sandy Hook is itself fake, well, this is a whole new level of scary.

      • Odd, that. I thought the topic was this: “Newtown is the town that isn’t there, a virtual ghost town, a potemkin village and nothing more.” I’m not too bright, evidently.

        No. That wasn’t the topic. It was James on the radio. Funny how he didn’t know that you are the topic–he didn’t even mention you or your theory.

        So how did you get to be the topic at hand? Yes, I know, you shoved your way in, and made it all about YOU!

        Well, you can think you’re the topic. Hell, you can think you’re Napoleon Bonaparte for all I care.

      • That is interesting, John and it is what I believe about this town. I have often wished that I lived close enough to check it out for myself because I do not believe it is what it says it is. It may have been a real town with real people in the past but I think that it was taken over and is now a Potemkin village of sorts. Thanks for driving thorough and sharing your observations.

      • Paulstal,
        8. (a) As you mentioned Annie said “No one ever went to Nancy’s house on meet up night. She was a private person” Because Annie couldn’t be 2 places at once!
        11. Annie looks older than Nancy Just as ALL the kids at the super bowl looked about 6 years older than thier school photos and ALL the parents looked too old to have 6 years old kids.

        One thing that I never hear mentioned is Chris Rodia, Adam Lanza and Gene Rosen appear to have the exact same Honda. Color, Year and Model. And the Honda they towed from Sandy Hook Elementry School had Chris Rodia’s licence plates on it. Am I wrong? The Black Honda on the tow truck clearly has the 872 YEO plate on it the cops claimed was Rodia’s.

      • Ric, the Rodia issue was muddied when an article came out with him swearing up and down it was not his car, and the excuse for the mix up was blamed on radio traffic from another town being heard on the police recordings. That never convinced me, but he seemed like dead end. If he was involved, like everything else, it can’t be used to make a damn bit of difference. I do think that Nancy and Ann are the same person or separated at birth! Why would they use her as Nancy and some other Newtown random Mom at a vigil??

      • The Officer who was audible on the radio regarding Christopher Rodia – His name was Vincent O’Banner ended up volunteering at Sandy Hook!

        What are the odds?

        Here’s the quote Regarding Vincent O’Banner (Guy who allegedly pulled Rodia Over) volunteering @ Sandy Hook:

        “The fill-in police said it was a pleasure to donate their time on behalf of their fellow officers as a way to help the community recover from their tragedy.

        Volunteer policeman Vincent O’Banner had this to say: “It’s really just doing a small part to help this community heal again. You know, I think there’s several guys from my department that are also here that assisted, and it’s just a small part that we can do to try to help the community get back to some sort of normalcy.”

        Newtown has received an outpouring of support from around the world since the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.”

      • Yea but when the whole Chris Rodia Licence was read on the radio call the cops insisted it was from an area way far from SHE and Chris had been pulled over on a traffic stop. Okay, thats fine, then they tow HIS car from SHE. It’s clealy the licence number they had read but claimed HIS car was pulled over in a different part of the city. I think they thought no one would notice. And speaking of being banned. Before its news took this thread off its site dicussing this matter. Until Anne confeses I guess we’ll never know..haha

      • Ric, I had the same thoughts regarding the license plate number. It was clearly seen on the car that was towed away so it could not be explained away as just radio talk of a car being pulled over in a nearby area. It had to be the same vehicle.

      • By the way Paulstal, you made comments which led me to belive you may live near the Los Angeles area as I do. I’d like Dr. Tracy to start a new conversation about the Chem-Trail saturation we’re experiencing here. I’m NW Los Angeles and I think these trails STOP the rain and cause the droughts and Global Warming..oops..”Climite Change”. I’ve been watching….

      • Susan, I also was not convinced when that article came out saying it wasn’t his car and that there was a mix up with the radio. I just assumed that all the cars in the parking lot that day were “drop vehicles” (I might be making that term up), meaning that they were vehicles in the possession of the police or govt. agencies, and were planted at the scene/set of the Sandy Hook movie (I think I’ve heard that the police sometimes confiscate cars of drug dealers, and I’m pretty sure that’s what Rodia was involved with, or at least some other criminal activity). I never thought he had any connection to the hoax, other than that they possibly placed his car at the scene of the crime. The other car that was rather suspicious was Lauren Rousseau’s. Her car apparently had a number of bullet holes, but people have demonstrated the impossibility of the trajectories, given the other cars in the parking lot. And it’s also been noted that one of the bullet holes already had rust on it. I just assumed that it was another vehicle the police had in their possession (perhaps they confiscated it at some kind of shoot out?) and that they just used it as a prop.

      • @ Ric
        I am unable to reply to your comment directly (no reply option)- Yes, I do live “near” LA- I live in San Luis Obispo.

        I agree, the aerial spraying of god-knows-what is completely out of control, and is another huge priority of mine.

        The subject is just so scary that many people don’t want their names (or even online personas) attached to it, I understand why James might not want to cover the topic, but it is just so blatant more and more people are noticing it.

        I have brainstormed on how to best expose it- News agencies such as the Today show used to have regular people in the background holding up signs- that’s a good one.

        It seems the highway bannering has died down, but that’s a good way too.

        If we could ambush the media in a large scale way, that would be the best, not sure exactly- Calling into CSPAN is always good, and a lot of people do that.

        Showing up to a political rally with some phony politician with a huge sign at a high-profile event would also be good,

        Please feel free to get in touch with me via my Paulstalservice account, fuxnews or nationalmothographic and maybe we can get something going for southern California to better expose the issue.

      • Regarding man made manipulation of weather, it appears to be one of our most critical issues today and as the coldest and snowiest winter within recent records is still occurring, believe more folks are waking up. The Senate, 30 Democrats] just saw fit to host an all nighter spewing propaganda about climate change, think that opens the door for us to call them out on this huge scam.

      • Lawrence Torcello – assistant professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology, NY, writes that all scientists that do not agree with him should be jailed. Sound familiar to anyone? The comment section is quite revealing on how the masses view this subject.

        ” I believe we understand them correctly when we know them to be not only corrupt and deceitful, but criminally negligent in their willful disregard for human life. It is time for modern societies to interpret and update their legal systems accordingly.”

      • Forbes has declared S CT the 2nd most over priced place to buy a house in the US! [NY, NY and Honolulu tied for first!] It is interesting that your video shows a home at 27 Cobblers Mill Rd, and current searches indicate it is actually in the middle of the road.

        Last sale on Zillow was for $665k in 2003, why would google and Zillow change the view to be in the middle of the road and the house presumably just vaporized?

        Thinking there is major real estate fraud and no one would actually spend that amount of money to live in a deserted town as John Luv has described.

        And yes, the deeper we go down the rabbit hole, the scarier it gets!

      • Take Redding, CT for instance. Borders Newtown, has half the area of Newtown and a population of 9,158 as of 2010. Yet passing through one would think that almost no one lives here, even with a Mark Twain library.

        “Although Redding humbly shows the wealth that is identified with Fairfield County, it is a more secluded option for home ownership. As such, real estate prices have remained at a premium for the last couple years. It borders the towns of Bethel, Danbury, Easton, Newtown, Ridgefield, Wilton and Weston.”,_Connecticut

  2. Wasn’t sure where to post this, as it is a bit off-topic, but what the hell.

    The postings here have made me look into some of my country’s (Australia’s) events, particularly Port Arthur, where in 1996 an Adam Lanza-type incompetent young man called Martin Bryant supposedly gunned down 35 people with amazing accuracy. Unlike Lanza (if you believe Lanza ever existed), Bryant was captured alive. After months of denial and solitary confinement he was “persuaded” by his court-appointed lawyer (who has since been disbarred and imprisoned for fraud unrelated to this case) to plead guilty, and he was sentenced to life without parole. The objective evidence against Bryant was pretty thin on the ground, it seems, but as he pleaded guilty it was never tested in court.

    Like Sandy Hook, Port Arthur resulted in calls for gun control, and gun laws were tightened throughout Australia, with a nationwide gun amnesty. I’m not sure what the statistics are on gun crime now, 18 years later (though I happen to think that having less guns in the community is a good thing – that might make me a bit of an oddity on this forum, but Australians don’t have a constitutional right to bear arms, and I’m not interested in having one!)

    I was surprised at how many postings I found on Google and You Tube questioning the whole event and Bryant’s guilt, and screaming “patsy” and “false flag”. This video got me started, and I found plenty of others:

    Like most Australians I had only really followed the TV and newspaper coverage (the internet was in its infancy back then) and I had simply accepted that Bryant did it, after all he did plead guilty. Clearly there are a lot of unanswered questions, like Sandy Hook, Boston etc, and now I’m not so sure.

    Oh and by the way (a tie-in to Sandy Hook) – the name of the school Martin Bryant went to? New Town High School (New Town is a suburb of Hobart, Tasmania, Australia!)

    • I’ll be interested in days to come if Dzokhar Tsarnaev, now in federal custody in Massachusetts, enters into a plea bargain instead of taking his case to trial. I think that the pressure being put on his defense attorneys and the threat of a death penalty, as well as an accelerated schedule for the trial date (with a story about mountains of evidence to sift through), and a phony confession written inside of a boat…. mean that talk of a coming trial is simply to put people off since there will be a plea bargain of guilty to avoid the death penalty. When that happens, his story will enter the annals as history for all time, and will be picked up by every history text that every school child will learn, as we move towards something (a war, no more fireworks, no more pressure cookers, domestic drones, disarmament of citizens? — multiple choices on the agenda).

      I am convinced that since the bombing was a movie set, so was the shoot-out with police by the Tsarnaev brothers. As with so much of this, alternative stories were put out, including the alleged killing by police of the elder brother. The actual arrest was also told in alternative ways. This is how these fictional narratives work. It leads me to conclude that there are no real Tsarnaev’s, but actors.

      There may have been a Tsarnaev in school in Cambridge, but he is probably back in Russia. I have a wild speculative theory about who he was, and when I mentioned it once, I got such a reaction from a shill, I believe I hit a nerve. A few years ago, some sleeper spies were apprehended in Cambridge, MA, after their long stay there under false identities (Massachusetts has had a huge influx of Russians over the last couple of decades, but they are not claiming to be Canadians). I said I thought that perhaps these “Chechens” were actually Russians from that group. After the group of spies, who were up to God knows what, were arrested, they were shipped back to Russia to the embarrassment of Russia. But what if one of those false identities was held in reserve to be used later? The people one might have seen (the “mother” etc.) might well have been actors recently, but the long-buried memories of the kids at Rindge and Latin, were perhaps taken out and used for this story, this “legend” of the family as the spy stories have it. And could Putin deny what our government has promoted? Why would he? He has the embarrassment of the spying operation which was busted, and he gets the benefit of anti-Chechen propaganda for free in all of this. He’d not rock the boat on this one. So take it for what you will, but in the very neighborhood where the Tsarnaev’s were purported to have grown up, there were Russian sleeper spies, in married couples, with children in school who had been born in the US. And when I pointed out a connection, the shill cried out that I was insane. Hey, I know the neighborhood, These people would have fallen over each other in the grocery store and at PTA meetings, It definitely was within the realm of possibility.

      So when the actor pleads guilty and is sentenced to life in prison, I think one is going to have a hard time finding him after that, is all. But his effect on the laws of the USA will be there.

      • I’m curious about the Chechen link, The first reaction after this event was to hear onlookers express concern that it was (or wasn’t) a Muslim. And then we learn that the so-called culprit is from Chechen which people, not knowing what that was, or where, confused initially with Czechoslovakia/Czechs. Were we being alerted (and indoctrinated by the PTB) as to where the newest/latest source of terror would be located, the next area of the world we should be concerned about so we could extend our hearty approval to insurgent movements designed to turn the area upside down and make way for our best export: Democracy delivered via drones and death.

      • Musings said … “memories of the kids at Rindge and Latin”

        Interestingly enough while I was investigating the Boston Bombing Staged event the rotund blockade sisters Mildred & Sara Velverde ( both faked their injuries ) … They both attended the Rindge & Latin school along with several others from my research.


      I recommend reading the investigation of Port Arthur by Joe Vialls, a fascinating read. In Port Arthur they had dead bodies and a live patsy. In Sandy Hook they had nothing despite assurances that they did. Other than those differences, there are many similarities between the two cases. The end goals were the same. What a sad world.

      • Any thoughts on Dunblane, Scotland? Seems to have been an agenda at work which had a rapid effect. Perhaps the success of its disarming the Brits tempted those in the US to try the same story? Whether or not the Dunblane (and Port Arthur) was a real crime or staged in whole or in part, they were exploited to political ends when the bloody shirts were waved.

      • I have read quite a bit about the Dunblane case too. Also saw a video from later years about the parents and siblings of one victim there. They seemed genuine, a far cry from the pathetic bunch in Sandy Hook. But the fact that the records were sealed for 100 years makes one wonder. Was this a staged event for gun control or were they trying to shield higher ups connected with the alleged shooter – or both? Even the way he supposedly killed himself is not believable. So perhaps it did happen, just not how it was reported. They are getting real clever with deception methods.

        This is a good overview with photos:

      • There is a very complex background to the Dunblane event. It is very bizarre but seems to check out. The shooter was thought to be involved in a pedophile ring that involved senior British officials. Indeed, a lord had intervened to secure him “shotgun and pistol permits”, etc..

        The same peer is implicated in the Jimmy Saville investigation. The records are sealed for 100 years. That is VERY unusual.

        The school was implicated as a source for this ring. The thought is that the kids were killed to silence them. At the time (and since) several schools have been implicated in an international pedophile enterprise.

        The current investigation, “Yew Tree” has unearthed decades of information on schools, members of the peerage, politicians, entertainers, etc., allegedly involved.

        There are many who believe that the shooter was “programmed” to do this. Of course, I have no way to verify any of this. The general story does “hang together” though.

      • Lophatt, I think it is safe to say that in most notorious mass murder cases, real or fictitious, the perpetrator being presented has received special treatment beforehand. In the Sandy Hook production they tried something new, a perpetrator of a different kind – the invisible kind, nevertheless as unstable as everyone else on the mass murderer roster.

        Yes, pedophilia among the cartel, low and high on the ladder, proves that we are not dealing with the human kind. All these organizations and funds for the protection of children everywhere – it’s for the children – what do they accomplish? I would not be surprised if the judge who ordered records sealed for 100 years was implicated himself.

      • There are similar rumors about Columbine. People forget that, only a short time after the Columbine killings, three teenage employees were killed at a Subway store near there. A gunman came in and executed them while they were closing up. I heard from a Columbine parent that the girl had been a good friend of Eric Harris’s, and he had confided in her that he and Klebold had been sexually abused by a deputy sheriff in connection with their arrest and community service for breaking into a van a couple years earlier.

        This rumor is supposedly supported by a drawing Harris made of the arrest, which some people interpret to show an anal sex act. (I find it not that easy to see!)

        Like the sealed records Lophatt is talking about, the depositions of the Harris and Klebold parents taken in the civil suit brought against them by Mark Taylor (where he was represented by John DeCamp) were sent to the National Archives, and SEALED by court order for 25 years. Absolutely outrageous.

      • Dr. Stan has done perhaps five interviews on this exact subject in recent months. I can’t remember the boy’s last name, but I’m pretty certain his first name is Mark, and his mother has been beside herself about this. Her son has been institutionalized, and drugged to oblivion ever since the event. Some of the people he has interviewed are very persuasive that the little scribbles in the margins of the official documents do in fact hole the answer to why these kids went postal.

        You can always call Radio Liberty and ask for old shows. You have to pay a nominal fee, but if you want to know what the people inside this story have to say, it is a very worthwhile price to pay.

      • Sorry, Dino, you gave the name! Taylor! I can be so negligent when I am writing quick notes.

        Mark’s Mom is not always an easy interview subject, and neither is De Camp, but the material is very compelling. Listening to them (and other people involved, whose names I never committed to memory) makes clear that the boys were in fact raped by the cops, and wanted to lure as many of them into a trap as possible to exact retribution. Not the story the world has been told.

      • I am “dinophile,” by the way, but have to post under a different name, because a virus (or demon!) in my computer is interfering with postings that come from my dinophile account.

      • dinophile and Patrick, I have read about the possibility of the boys being raped by a police officer named, “Walsh” and that being a likely motive for Columbine. It makes more sense then Harris and Klebold just hating everyone so deeply that they’d be willing to kill. Arapahoe County Sherriff, Pat Sullivan played a very large role in the investigation and this gave a big boost to his reputation as a “hero” cop. More recently he had been in the news for his arrest and very brief incarceration after getting busted trading meth for sex with young men.

      • Yes, I know about Pat Sullivan’s sordid history, but did not know he was involved in the investigation of Columbine. Thank you for that, zem.

      • Yes, the question was asked about “Dunblane”. I agree that there are similarities to many of these “events”. I think that the motives can differ, at least somewhat.

        There is very strong evidence that the Dunblane event centered on a pedophile ring including some “very” high government and public officials and celebrities.

        The shooter in that case had no “history” of instability. They made a huge push for gun confiscation and largely spun the story purely on that. It has recently resurfaced because of all the investigations ongoing in the “Yew Tree” affair.

        In Columbine there was some angle dealing with pedophilia. As Anne seems to suggest, this sickness is rampant among the psychopaths who like to play in the “big leagues”. They are constantly in need of fresh fuel for their perverted pleasure.

        In the Columbine event there were a host of strange “connections” that I have trouble understanding entirely. I was aware of the killings after the fact. I was aware that the FBI investigators son had connections to the group blamed for the shootings. It is also obvious that more than the two fall guys were involved.

        There are a couple of “older” men involved somehow. Some have speculated that this was a sort of “Manchurian Candidate” experiment. They had help making this happen but the “investigators” made certain that the digging stopped with the two players.

        If there’s more on the pedophile angle I’ld like to read it. I understand that some believed to have been involved are now “dispersed”. For me, at least, this one is more difficult to understand. It is obvious they are covering up something, it is not as obvious to me just what that is.

    • From island to stage.

      The Utøya massacre in Norway on 7/22, 2011 has been brought to stage. Denmark was first with a play called “Manifest 2083″ and took the show to Norway as well, playing for sold out houses.

      The play received a special award by the most prestigious theater prize in Denmark – The Reumert Prize.

      Now Germany is following suit and the news is met with major disgust in Das Vaterland, in this case Norway. The play is named “Breivik in the Doll House” – not to be confused with Henrik Ibsen’s “A Doll’s House”.
      Let us hope Sandy Hook producers do not get the wind of this.

      • Anne, that’s another involved story. It is not easy to tell which “Anders” we’re talking about. This one actually has neo-Nazi overtones. This version has the “stay behinds”, i.e. “Operation Gladio” involved.

        Of course, this whole production is so shadowy that it may be run by Zionists for all I know. At least, on the surface, it appears that the message was to be “crazed neo-Nazi goes berserk”.

        Of course, under “normal” circumstances this plot would have been foiled. There are also political motives for this although shooting kids is rather an “extreme” approach to politics.

        It is more than unlikely that he would have had the success he enjoyed, yet alone lived, without help. Again, the damage from the initial “bomb” far exceeds that of any “amfo” car bomb. Same old pattern.

        The normally organized police were slow on the draw as well. Now we have pictures of what appears to be several “Anders'”. This resembles the “Chechen” captive from the Boston imbroglio.

        Sometimes I think we’re living in a Nancy Drew novel.

  3. Check out this current thread over at Above Top Secret.

    It’s a great example of a couple of trolls at work. Note also that the admins there have moved the thread to their “Ludicrous Online Lies” forum.

    As you will see, the majority are somewhere along the scale of “something is not right – total fraud.” However the thread is dominated by a couple of shills. Thought maybe some of you could add your logic and event knowledge to the discussion.

    • I think there are those who for a variety of reasons try to stick to the official story. Some are part of a “COINTELPRO” style operation, surely. But some are people who need to feel authority is right and they need to trust it. Some have paid with their lives for following it into places like Iraq.

      • Circumstances Of The BIG-LIE

        Well musings, once again u bring up excellent subject-matter, the whys and wherefores of the BIG-LIE–how and why the technique works. And I trust I’m not presuming too much that u’d go along w. the BIG-LIE theory I’ve expounded so far.

        For that’s how the BIG-LIE has to work– (a) the perps know they’re lying, so well-crafted (well-enough, anyway), w. all the flunkies going-along, ESPECIALLY their lying instrument, the mass-corp. “news”-media repeating, repeating, repeating.

        (b) And the perps know who they’re dealing with: the goons of a corrupt, sated, mammon-oriented, imperialistic society, so dependent upon the empire in the way of “bread-and-circuses,” welfare at both the lower-levels of society (income-wise), and also at the top-level too, which folks tend to forget–corporate-welfare and the military-industrial-complex.

        (c) And don’t doubt, lots of folks grasp the sheer ENORMITY of the BIG-LIE pushed in our faces, and they elect, even if reluctantly, to go-along w. the official fiction–it was Arabs or mooooooooslims that done it, those pesky critters, by golly.

        (d) And once they go-along w. one lie, when the next one comes-up, they seem to feel obligated to go along w. that one too.

        (e) Thus the people end very much FOOLING THEMSELVES, and the perps at the top understand this. Another form of this going-along, I guess, would be the famous “Stockholm syndrome.”

        And the forest-fire of lies within the empire-of-lies is such that at this pt. it can’t be put-out, but rather must simply burn itself out–which is why some people will have to be hurt badly before they begin to re-consider things, if ever–some will not survive.

        The other thing is that as the population is steadily reduced in all the various ways, the masterminds at the top will begin to fall-out, suspecting they might be double-crossed, we patriots having to be (a) survivors and (b) opportunists when there seems a chance of exploiting this inevitable falling-out among masterminds, upon principle of “NO HONOR AMONG THIEVES.”

        Present opportunity is afforded in way of currency-collapse, on-going as we speak–this is serious thing and grave weakness, such as it is, for the masterminds. Obongo’s imagined economic “recovery” is actually mere bubble inflated by “quantitative-easing” (massive monetary inflation and gov. deficit-spending).

  4. Lot’s of fabrication used to stir things up in Venezuela ( They’re using photos from Bulgaria, Greece and others parts of Latin America. Is this a trend? We know there are very real attempts by CIA criminal cartels to destabilize Venezuela. In the cases that they send in real death squads and agent provocateurs, perhaps the hoax people get their budgets cut back. Of course, Wilhelm Vanderbilt “Anderson Cooper” gets paid the same for both.

    • War, Lies–The Way Of Sinful Mankind From The Beginning

      For goodness sakes, blackcase, haven’t u ever hrd of “War of the Worlds” by Orson Welles, back in 1938? Then there was unc’ Adolf Hitler telling us about BIG-Lies in his book published in 1925 or so.

      Lies and deceptions are old as mankind.

      The basic, operative BIG-LIE or fraud working now is US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam behind everything else, head of organized crime, trying to consolidate its on-going take-over the world and, according to AGENDA-21, to “reduce population”–get a clue. This is the movie playing at a theater near u.

      A “trend”?–well, it seems to be standard operating procedure–“by way of deception shalt thou do war.”

  5. I have a question re NPR and what respondents here generally think of NPR in recent years. I used to be a supporter and fell off the wagon listening to what seemed to me overtly biased and even belligerent questioning on an issue where I felt the NPR representative’s attitude was indefensible. Thereafter, I became more critical and finally just stopped listening… Any thoughts on this?

    • NPR: Flunky Agency For Satanist Conspirators

      Noname: NPR is NOTORIOUSLY “publicly-funded”–it gets money fm operatives of the US Federal Reserve Bank (legalized) COUNTERFEIT scam–it’s simply a criminal conspiracy, the NPR a knowing, willing agency/accomplice thereof.

      U GOTTA find out what the Fed is and does–literally just legalized COUNTERFEITING. With practically endless funds/funding what can they NOT do?–u dig?–they own nearly all the politicians and judges, all the corp.s, all public edjumacation, all the establishment churches, even–their control and reach is EPIC–it’s what the Book Of Revelations is all about, literally, the Roman example just a pale and primitive model thereupon.

      • Good sources for research into Fed fraud are,,,, also good old (use the search engine).

      • More weak websites, eh? TheNewAmerican has ONE story about the Sandy Hook conspiracy and it barely (safely) scratches the surface.

        LewRockwell has ZERO stories about Sandy Hook conspiracies. Rather, they post Ventura’s opinion to ‘beware’ of Sandy Hook conspiracies.

        Your referenced websites are weak and borderline mis-information. PLEASE stop spreading Alex Jones propaganda on this website.

        And PLEASE try to keep on topic, we don’t need you rubbing Fed stuff in our faces when we are here to read about Sandy Hook. Doc Tracy already slapped your wrist about this.

    • IN Boston, I find that public radio, however interesting and thought-provoking, always adheres to the official story. I would have thought that intelligent observers would have questioned (just for a start) the improbably high numbers of the “injured” and made reference to articles by Kennedy School of Government people from only a few years before treating the Boston Marathon as a “mass casualty event” ripe for a drill on that basis. You’d think, in short, that reason and scholarship would count for something. Instead, the descent into tabloid-like questioning of motive (when we have not reached the issue of improbability) was the way they went and tend to go with these stories. In general, in terms of academic freedom, they are for it, except in certain cases, I don’t know if they ever mentioned Tracy.

      But NPR itself originates in Washington, doesn’t it? I’m only half-listening most of the time, because I tend to seek out news stories in depth through many sources (most unfortunately secondary ones these days).
      I have found some very astute observers and writers in people like Paul Craig Roberts and also Glenn Greenwald, and read a lot of people featured on

      • We have to look at the people behind every organization, public or private. Here is just departed CEO of NPR (Charlie Rose is also a member of CFR).

        Gary Evan Knell (born 27 February 1954)[1] is the president and CEO of the National Geographic Society, one of the world’s largest nonprofit organizations with a worldwide reach of more than 500 million people each month through its media, products and events. He joined National Geographic as chief executive in January 2014

        Knell served as president and CEO of National Public Radio from 2011 to 2013.

        Knell is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He serves on the boards of Heidrick and Struggles, an executive search firm; the Jacob Burns Film Center; and Common Sense Media. He is an adviser to the Annenberg School of Communications at USC and to the Military Child Education Coalition.

      • Thanks for the responses here on NPR. I’ve been around a while and in the 1970s NPR reportage was unquestioned for people in the so-called “liberal” camp (not sure what that term means today). But it seems the opinions expressed here are generally in agreement with my own which is that NPR has moved to the right with the rest of the country. I began to find their news dull and uninteresting–interspersed with sometimes offensive–and moved on. My favorite now is James Corbett which is how I gravitated to Memory Hole, Tracy, Fetzer, Barret et al. I’m new. Just landed this week so I’m trying to get my bearings. But I listened to an hour-long Corbett Report this morning with William Engdahl re the Ukraine crisis. Amy Goodman has covered this extensively as well as has TRNN. It’s interesting to compare viewpoints.

      • I myself was a lefty in the 80s, and listened to NPR all day long pretty much through all of the 90s. Because I was a socialist, I thought NPR was too conservative, but the in depth, lengthy treatment of the stories was so good at the time that I used it as the anchor of my media life. (I have not watched television since I was a child, giving it up around the age of 16).

        Now, being a hard left ideologue probably tainted my perspective about it; I regarded NPR as extremely objective, for the most part in those years, and genuinely committed to reporting–getting to the bottom of stories the rest of the media ignored. When I look back, I still think that my perception at the time was correct, even though today I am a libertarian, who hates socialism, neoconservatism–ALL forms of statism.

        I, like you, gradually stopped listening, and sometime shortly after the start of the Obama years stopped listening entirely. The first show I lost interest in was Morning Edition. I don’t know if it was a coincidence, but that’s around the time they ousted Bob Edwards. Bob is a hard left ideologue, but you’d never know it the way he ran the show; a true pro, and a joy to start the day with. I think something else was going on, behind the scenes, because the depth and content just wasn’t the same. Not compelling, or amazingly helpful the way it used to be.

        Paul Craig Roberts made the same observation, more or less, in an article a few months back, although he was talking about it being a great counterpoint during the Reagan years. (I always read and enjoy Roberts, but shake my head in wonderment at his adoration of the entitlement state.)

        The last show to become essentially worthless was All Things Considered, in my opinion. Perhaps I stuck with it far too long out of sentimental attachment. Certainly I despised Robert Siegel, hating every smarmy syllable that emerged from his mouth from the day he took over as anchor. I think the content fell apart simultaneously with his emergence as the face of the show, but I doubt he’s to blame. He’s a symptom.

        My best theory about what ruined NPR is Ray Kroc’s widow giving the organization enough money that they would never had to worry about money ever again. It transformed it into a true organ of the state–and the state does not want to create highly thoughtful, critical thinking citizens. It wants drones. It wants proles.

      • It is interesting how some trusted sources are consistent for the longest time and then ever so slowly they change tune – after being spoken to presumably and after new funding. I know of two who did not go for that, one quit altogether and one went out on his own. Also they may have found throughout their careers that they were wrong about a few things and let it be known. That has happened to all of us I am sure

      • I can relate to what Patrick said. I too used to listen to it. Thought it was “hip”. I like to think I’ve “grown beyond” all that.

        It certainly did change. Having said that, it really was never as hard-hitting as it could have been. These outlets are as controlled as any other. This one is designed to give the impression that it is public funded and, therefore, free of pressure. It isn’t.

        If they started running “9-11 Truth” pieces, for example, and got serious about it, they shut them down, pronto. Not to worry, however. It won’t happen. If anything makes its way on there it will be as controlled has The Huffington Post.

        Just like in shallow politics, the MSM’s job is to sell the eaters the idea that they have a say and everything is functioning normally. It isn’t, and they don’t, but, that’s their job. Steering the discussion, limiting the options and discrediting anyone who threatens their bosses.

        So it’s like a filter. If people become dissatisfied with the drivel on MSM, they can play around with the “profound” stuff on NPR. It is very shallow as well and they hope to keep it that way. If you slip off the grid into “Internet Land”, they have sites designed to do what NPR does. If that fails, you make “The List”.

        Never think for a minute that they haven’t calculated how much effort it would take to stop all opposition. I’m sure they track it. If they become concerned they’ll crack down. They are not too concerned with the adults. They’ll eventually die. Once they have the children fully indoctrinated they’re home free.

    • The perceptual bubble that NPR inhabits is just a layer, if you step out and beyond it, its limitations become obvious. Then you move on.

      My friends tend to be in that set. In typical fashion, they finally cop to 9/11 being a false flag, after years of my nagging them about it, and now carry on as if they knew from the start.

      • Susan, that is precisely right. It’s like “honey”, they hope you get stuck in it and don’t get away. There are a whole series of ploys used to keep “thinking” people stuck in drivel. They all stand around and congratulate themselves on how “hip” they are.

    • They fired Juan Williams for saying this, which I believe most folks would agree with.

      “Williams responded: “Look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”

      My husband would say, we should listen to the enemies now and then and perhaps figure out what their next game plan is.

      • Sorry to break the news to you, but those bimbo-types (and I can say that with certainly because Ashley Banfield was once caught with Nancy Grace pretending they were on opposite sides of the country while sitting at the same table in the same parking lot, on a split screen making it appear they were on opposite coasts – Jon Stewart had fun with that) are just misusing the English language when they say “The BMB may never have happened.” They mean it in the conditional sense of “the BMB might (not may) never have happened, IF they had caught Tsarnaev after the triple murder in Waltham”. These are not serious news people, they are a disgrace to the female sex, etc. But carry on.

      • Okay musings–I didn’t catch that about the “if”–I see what u mean. Didn’t know that about Ashley–though I DID see the vid w. the same cars passing in the back-ground of the two correspondents supposedly far, far away fm one another. But I thought it was significant any time ZOG news-agency introduces a new twist away fm previous party-line–which I thought had happened.

        Well, musings, if that one didn’t impress u, how ’bout this one w. Rachel Maddow who questions the FBI in the same case regarding the Chechen guy, Todashev:

      • Glad I don’t watch TV. Are there any serious msm news people anywhere?

        I don’t like to mention David Icke too often, the opinions of him differ, but I’ve read many of his books in the past and he was right. So perhaps he is connected to the City of London, and perhaps not. I don’t think so. He has a new book out, over 900 pages, titled “Perception Deception Or…It’s ALL bollocks – yes, ALL of it.”

        That sums up the main topic here – perception deception. Can’t argue with the bollocks part either. Next time we hear of the first select she-devil threatening an elderly Sandy Hook resident to tears, we know it’s all bollocks.

      • Anne, again, it isn’t “WHO” says what, it’s “WHAT” they say that counts. Icke is intelligent. I don’t agree with everything he says and I can’t subscribe to his spirituality, but a lot of what he says is accurate.

        To me everyone we read or listen to adds something to our “bank” of potential knowledge. Some of it we can safely “dismiss”, some of it gets filed away for future use, and, every once in a while, something really resonates.

        If we confine ourselves to only those personalities we think are “credible” and only work within someone else’ confines, we can’t grow. Many times something that made no sense at the time, later becomes important when you have more pieces.

        The biggest problem I find is that people reach the “wrong” conclusions from the same information. This is usually because their premises are wrong. They can have perfectly cogent arguments but get to a questionable conclusion because their assumptions are incorrect.

        Icke is interesting. I don’t personally think he has the universe in his pocket like he seems to think he does. People like him often benefit more from listening occasionally rather than talking.

      • Lophatt, so true. I don’t have much patience for Icke’s take on the many dimensions, etc., a subject ripe for attack. But when he gets to the nitty-gritty about politics, politicians, monarchy, celebrities and the like, he has been proven right. He is scheduled to speak for 9 hours soon and that is something I could not sit through. I’d rather read.

        In adult life I have learned from many different real smart people through books, DVDs and lectures. And now the Internet. Right now I’m listening to F. William Engdahl, a brilliant man. Quite a few of those who inspired me have passed away, some in questionable ways and some I knew personally, but their works and impressions remain. I am grateful to Dr. Tracy for his insight, intellect, courage and persistence and for letting us out in the hinterlands discuss and vent on this unique blog of his.

      • Correct me if I’m wrong about this, because my memory is often imperfect, but I think the last time I heard Icke talk we was saying that the Moon is hollow, and that it is artificial–a fabricated object used to transmit information, or illusion, or something like that.

        He also thinks the Queen of England is a reptile, a shape-shifter, whose whole bloodline comes from space aliens. Again, if he does not believe that, please correct me.

        He’s certainly courageous, I give him that. No pansy would say such things in public and try to persuade others to agree.

      • Here’s great, gripping int-view w. the great David Icke, the questioner being noneother than the great Jesse Ventura who asks pretty simple questions about reptilians and shape-shifters–there’s longer version of this one, about 5 1/2 mins. Icke ends telling Ventura he has to read a 700 page, 355,000 word, book. Jesse is not impressed.

      • Anne B
        I also esteem William Engdahl and recommend his books. But beware of his relatively latecoming adherence to the abiotic oil theory. I think he has been lead astray in that case. On the other hand I also wondered whether he took that position because he felt that peak oil makes the imperialists more eager to rush to war. Like a white lie.

      • Why do you doubt the abiotic theory. I have devoted considerable time studying the matter, and it is quite compelling. I am definitely persuaded.

      • patrick, I too find abiotic oil quite compelling. After learning about it the dinosaur story we were told really sounds childish. Peak oil is a construct of big oil designed to charge more for less. People like to think that Iraq was attacked for its oil, and yes the resources were part of it but people viewing it from the left and right seem to have it backwards. The left thinks it was about stealing oil for the corporations(which is sorta true) and the right thinks they stole the oil for OUR benefit which is a total joke. The first thing they did was create an Iraqi constitution which mandated that Iraq comply with OPEC! They turned down the spigots to a mere dribble and now we pay 4 bucks a gallon instead of the dollar it was down to when bush 43 took office. It is the Oppenheimer formula, contrived scarcity.

      • Patrick, not to make David Icke a main subject of this discussion, although he’s in the know about deception. I believe that he there to tell us some truth and to counter this he has to embark on subjects none of us can verify; such a hollow moon, royalty being shape shifters and baby sacrifices in the basement of Buckingham Palace. I am more interested in the doings and general worship of royalty, celebrities and politicians. On those subjects he is proven right. The cabal wants us to know just enough to keep us busy chasing our tails.

        I have been to the Tower of London and in the chambers below where torture tools are on display. Had nightmares for a long time after that. If someone can be that cruel to humans beings, perhaps other farfetched stories are not so far out after all.

      • Well, the abiotic theory certainly makes more sense to me than crushed dinosaurs and ferns. And, considering the fact that hydrocarbons are found on other planets that supposedly never had dinosaurs or ferns, it’s a safe bet that it needs a little looking into.

        As I was trying to say, I don’t care if Icke thinks the moon is hollow, if he’s right about something else I’ll listen. Many people who say all the “right” things think oil is crushed dinosaurs and ferns.

        They could be “right” about some of what they say and wrong about oil.

      • I like the way you offer differing viewpoints using non-violent communication. I need to practice that approach.
        hey, I was scanning old comments looking for trolls and I noticed your name used to read LoPhatt like lo-fat. I had always thought it was lop-hatt like a guillotine or french revolution or something. funny.

      • I ran across this and was intrigued primarily because it is what I’ve been saying, in pieces, for quite a while.

        If you read it carefully it is what we have been discussing laid out in the obvious way that it should. We have “bounced” all over at times discussing “Satanic” themes or “mind control”, etc., when the truth is, YES it is. It is not “one or the other”. This is a contiguous thing. It has “aspects” and “agents” but the same agenda.

        Pay particular attention to the portion on “trigger words”. Remember the discussions on the “clues” associated with the Batman movies? There is predictive programming involved with these events.

        His conclusion is largely the same as mine. Awareness is half the battle. The rest is in what we do in response. The key is not to empower them, just the opposite. The key is to ridicule them, not to fear them.

    • Peter, if you have time watch this documentary(I think it’s the right one-it’s been a long time). its about diamonds. Peak oil is the same thing from what I can tell.

      • Thanks
        Diamonds are abundant because you dont need so many of them. Therefore they have to hide them to keep prices high. Not quite the same thing with oil. (But the angloamericans did throw the bolshevik murderers on their russian/swedish competition back in 1917 Rocky going ‘competition is a sin’)
        I’ll wait to see what documents Patrick is relying on.

      • Peter, diamonds are abundant because they are. They have value because the limited geographical areas that possess them have been bought up by the oligarchs or declared a national park(clinton, Arkansas) so it is illegal to mine them. Also the demand was created using marketing tactics by Mr. Bernays from what I remember. I could care less if you believe in the Hubbert peak conjured up by Shell oil, I was merely saying that big oil is using artificial scarcity tactics like diamond peddlers. You are correct that there is more of a need for oil than diamonds but they aren’t fighting wars to give us cheap oil, they fight them to keep prices high.

      • Funny you should refer to “Clinton, Arkansas.” Crater of Diamonds State Park is actually in Murfreesboro. However, Bill Clinton, when he was governor of Arkansas, illegally granted a permit to mine for diamonds in the park to a man named Robert Friedland. The permit was nullified by a court in a suit brought by a local environmental group.

        Although I’m getting off-topic, Friedland went on to create the biggest environmental disaster involving a mine in the U.S. in Summitville, Colorado. He was assisted in this effort by former Colo. governor Roy Romer, who waived the bond required for the mine (and also served as Democratic National Committee chair), and Romer’s acolyte Ken Salazar. Since no gold to speak of was recovered, the mine was probably a stock play (meaning: a fraud). Involved in getting Friedland off the hook after cyanide-contaminated water overflowed from the mine, killing all life in 18 miles of the Alamosa River, was Clinton’s personal friend attorney James Lyons, along with Ken Salazar. Salazar used his official power as then-Colorado Attorney General to ensure American taxpayers, rather than Friedland, paid the $200 million clean-up bill.

      • Yeah, absolutely true. The latest scam is that they are now marketing “brown diamonds” as extremely rare. These are industrial grade and anything but.

        As to Clinton, maybe he should have stuck to drug running in Mena. It’s really quite fascinating to watch the psychopaths in action. We sit around scratching our heads over stuff like this when it is actually totally predictable.

        Imagine being totally self-serving and unencumbered by ethics or morals. Everything and everybody is an “opportunity”. They are vermin. Like they say about rodents and cockroaches, when we’re all gone they’ll be here, along with the psychopaths.

    • Certainly, Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil, by Jerome Corsi is an excellent book on the subject. It is in many ways an updated study of the seminal work of Thomas Gold, whose Wiki entry is a very good summary.

      The Russians mastered this work many decades ago, extracting oil in places no western oil companies (or academic geologists–oil company shills) would accept that oil can exist. Russia is laughing at our blinkered perspective. I laugh along with them.

      • People have reported for years about the coal mine shafts in places like Pennsylvania catching fire and burning–and continuing to burn for yrs and yrs and yrs. Old oil fields which were thought to be dry were found yrs later to have filled w. oil once again.

        These hydro-carbon sources are not merely remains of earlier plant and animal life–Peat is something entirely diff. fm the hydro-carbons coming-up fm the depths, for example.

      • The Russians are more expert at drilling than we are. They’ve virtually proven that, if you drill deep enough anywhere, you’ll find oil. Not only that, but, if you periodically clean out old wells they’ll fill up again.

        Now, my understanding is that oil is part of the “fabric of Earth”. Call it a lubricant for continental plates and such. I haven’t studied the process that makes oil enough to know if it is truly “finite”. I suspect it is a LOT less “rare” than advertised.

        Shortages are almost ALWAYS contrived. Besides the “shortages” the price has almost NOTHING to do with supply. It has to do with manipulation. Just like in the 1970’s the “shortage” resulted in a HUGE price increase. There wasn’t any available space to store it.

        So, all the talk about “free markets” is largely bunk. They may not be controlled by a government, but they are controlled. Anti-trust legislation is virtually meaningless, especially when it isn’t enforced or it’s overseen by those in the industry itself.

        By now it should come as no surprise to readers at this site that they lie. The only puzzling thing is that so many haven’t figured that out yet.

      • If oil comes from animals and plant fossils, we have to assume that these animals once wandered the bottoms of oceans as well. They may have since once upon a time this planet was covered with more landmass than water. I was not around then so I have to trust researchers on the landmass thing. The next dig for the black gold will be in the Barents Sea. This area once had a tropical climate proven by fossil palm leaves found on the archipelago of Svalbard. There may be big plans ahead for this part of the world where a giant seed vault is located.

        Abiotic oil makes more sense, the earth has a habit of replenishing itself. Once again I’ll refer to Joe Vialls who wrote an exposé on abiotic fuel and how successful they were in Russia. Vialls died suddenly in his prime in Australia. Some say he was an Israeli operative and went into hiding. Anything to chase our tails, but what he wrote about makes sense – Port Arthur, abiotic oil and the Indonesian tsunami to name some. He died before the BP Gulf disaster and Fukushima and surely would have written about those manmade catastrophes as well. After his presumed death the archives were immediately scrubbed from the Internet, although a few articles were saved by others.

        My Internet has gone down three times this week, so I’ll be putting my comments on hold from now on. Hopefully I can continue to read this great blog. Thanks to all.

      • I respect Golds brainstorming about the origin of life and stuff and that kind of speculation is part of a scientific discourse. There may be aspects of underground living processes that might have been overlooked previously. But the bulk of what might come about underground must be a tiny fraction of what is produced by the direct solar influx falling unto the algae and plancton of sea water.
        Billions of years of sedimentation then circulation of surface material down into the earths mantle and up again produces all the facets which are interpreted in different ways by Gold and his opponents.

        The fact that some oil wells are ‘refilled’ like some of you recount, only goes to show that the response of the finding is slower than the speed of lifting/sucking the oil from it.

        Your source Patrick, Jerome Corsi doesnt look promising but he is an original figure.
        He goes:
        ‘Sex is not about fun. If you want to have fun read a book’

        And the laughing russians… Laughs are cheap.
        No Patrick nothing substantial contradicts the mainstream explanation.

      • Corsi is a scrupulous researcher, and very courageous. I don’t know many who are more reliable.

        You say: “nothing substantial contradicts the mainstream explanation”; that’s not true. The Russians drilled miles down through solid rock in Vietnam, where no oil supposedly is possible, according to conventional theory, and struck oil. Russia is today the world’s largest oil producer, precisely because they explore for it using the assumption that it is abiotic: they drill where we in the West would assure you you would be nuts to spend a dime.

        As Liberaci used to say, when they laughed at his mincing style, “I’m laughing all the way to the bank.”

      • Patrick
        The mainstream EXPLANATION is that it comes from fossilised plants and animals(to an overwhelming degree from the bottom of the foodchain – hence think algae etc not dinos like some insist)
        The fact that they dont fully comprehend how the mantle tosses and turns down there is an entirely different matter. The russians – if indeed they have a better empirical understanding have never proved their oil is other than fossilised life.

        About Corsis reliability – I think we should politely agree to disagree on that

      • Peter, we will have to have some common ground on corsi. While I appreciate some of his work on the NAU I believe he is a total operative pushing war with whomever and much left/right tension when it gets right down to it. Alex Jones even called him an operative when he was getting flak for having him on. He said” keep your friends close and your enemies even closer” while chuckling about corsi before having him on one time.
        that’s a big statement for Jones who usually has no qualms about treating some questionable people as if they are genuine.

      • Well, however they explain it, they systematically refuse to acknowledge that they are wrong. Which means that the Russians can drill in places their blinkered perspective causes them to proudly refuse to drill. More for us, the Russians say. Good for the Russians.

        The question is, can the Western agencies truly be that stupid? As lophatt would certainly say: No. They want us to believe that peak oil is making the future bleak, and if the Russians are proving that wrong, well, the presstitute media can simply be instructed not to report it. If the oily tree falls in the aboitic forrest no dumb American prole will hear the lies the presstitutes are telling them. One inevitably remembers how Oceania was in sometimes-on-sometimes-off war with East Asia. O’Brian is no doubt on the horn with Putin, laughing at us rubes every day.

        In the end, it is the abiotic theory that is the treasure map the Russians are using. And the Peak Oil theory the road to ruin on our side of the globe.

        My question is, outside of the obvious conspiracy to destroy the economy of the West, what is wrong with siding with the successful theory? The science is solid, the rests are exactly as the science would predict, and the money keeps flowing into Russia’s bank accounts.

        Maybe I’m missing something, Peter.

      • You end your latest comment by ‘Maybe I’m missing something’
        I suggest its the principle of energy conservation and that it all comes from the sun during a limited time span of some billion years.
        No free lunch. Consequently even if there were some mechanism by which the earth produced oil different from the main stream explanation, it would still be limited by the available energy from the sun. And since that energy would have to sort of trickle down in a rather roundabout manner compared to the simplicity of direct sunlight unto tiny algae the efficiency must reasonably be lower. Thus it could only be a minute addition.

        Just because the russians say they are drilling according to a different set of rules doesnt mean they do does it. And if they do I am sure your oil engineers would be very quick to follow their example. They’re after profits they dont care for theories if there appears to be something better. Those guys are not introverts.
        In neither case would the abiotic theory be very likely. Instead it would simply prove that we dont have a good grasp of geology.

      • Interesting article about the methane and ethane on Titan, fishandroaches. This really supports Thomas Gold’s hypotheses.

        And no, there is no photosynthesis there, because there are no green plants (or algae or cyanobacteria).

        Again, getting back to Gold’s theory, the methane was present in the interstellar cloud out of which BOTH the sun and the planets condensed. Ethane is basically two methane molecules bonded together.

        As for “magnetic energy” churning magma around, it’s kind of the opposite. Magnetic and electric forces are twins. The electric current in a wire induces a magnetic field, and the magnetic field will induce an electric current in an adjacent wire. The core of the Earth is believed to be molten iron, and when it shifts it basically produces an electric current, which gives rise to the magnetic field.

        I wanted to mention (hope this namedropping is not too offensive!) that I had Carl Sagan, Thomas Gold, and Frank Drake for Astronomy 101-102 at Cornell in 1972-73. Quite a line-up!

      • wow! How old does that make you? My father was there from ’54-’59 so I’d guess you were in your sixties which is probably withing the range I would assume of most MHbloggers. I guess it just sounds crazy because I was born in ’72.

      • With all respect, Peter, everything you say here is wrong.

        You write: “Just because the russians say they are drilling according to a different set of rules doesnt mean they do does it. And if they do I am sure your oil engineers would be very quick to follow their example. They’re after profits they dont care for theories if there appears to be something better.” Well, they DO drill in what conventional geologists think are impossible places to find oil, and find it there–every time. And there is an extremely good reason why our conventional oil companies in the West (what used to be the West, I should say) don’t want to pursue those profit opportunities: they want the world Orwell depicts in 1984. They don’t want us to be happy, prosperous and free. They don’t care about profits. Money means nothing to them.

        The reason the Peak Oil concept, which is ridiculous, is treated as obviously true in the Western press is the same reason the Western press acts as though carbon dioxide is not a wonderful plant food, a benefit all around, but a noxious poison: it is that we are being trained, like zoo animals, to learn to live with a severely reduced standard of living.

        Of course, our masters, the oligarchs, the Albert Gore’s, will always live the life of the fantastically rich. It is, in other words, a vast, comprehensive lie.

        You say this, too:

        “You end your latest comment by ‘Maybe I’m missing something’
        I suggest its the principle of energy conservation and that it all comes from the sun during a limited time span of some billion years.”

        Your suggestion is wrong. Perhaps you are not a native English speaker, and can’t detect irony. What I jokingly proposed I was “missing” had to do with your seeming unawareness of the secret government, and the fascist system that has corporate interests controlling the popular mind, the paradigm everyone is trained to imbibe and accept as holy writ.

        You are certainly entitled to your opinion on these things. You can believe whatever nonsense the Machine, the Matrix, wants us to believe. Have at it. I don’t care to persuade you. But for the sake of conversation, and all those observing, I felt obliged to give an answer. Your silly billions of years, and “trickle down” and sunlight talk is almost unworthy of mention, but because you talk this way I feel obliged to advise you (it’s really not my normal approach): you really should look into these matters. A good place to start might be the absolute astonishment conventional geologists experienced when in the months after Mt. St. Helens exploded, scientists witnessed coal being created before their eyes. They thought it had to take a gazillion years. They were wrong.

        Maybe some of those folk went to Russia, and explored for oil in impossible places. I hope if I were one of them that I would have had the courage to admit that everything I had been taught was wrong.

      • Here is a good Abiotic theory of oil summary:

        They never say his last name. Just “Charles”. He’s very articulate. Patrick do you know who he is?

      • Actually, that video isn’t right about some stuff. It isn’t the pressure of overlying rock that “transforms” methane into oil and coal, but rather the action of bacteria. Bacteria live in the subsurface for miles down–in fact, the biomass of bacteria in the subsurface exceeds the biomass of plants and animals on the surface of the earth. The bacteria (some types, anyway) metabolize or oxidize methane as it moves from the core up, transforming it into more complex hydrocarbons. This is Tommy Gold’s theory of the “Deep Hot Biosphere.” (His book by that name also explains how diamonds are formed, as well as why silver and gold occur in “lodes,” etc., but I can’t remember the explanations without rereading the book.)

        Also, oil and coal are NOT formed by the same process as water is. No one knows where water came from (although there are some bacteria which produce that, too. Bacteria do everything!)

      • You are correct. It DOES cost more to drill deeper. But, if you can do it, you’ll find oil. The neat trick the Russians perfected was a device to clean the screen at the bottom of the well. When you do that it fills up again.

        Someone mentioned all the “capped” wells. They know they can do this. The “politics” of this are intertwined with “petro-dollars” and they have to handle this carefully. It’s a control thing.

        These scams depend on “faith”. People have been taught to “have faith” in scientists, or politicians, or you name it. When necessary they use this to their advantage. Look at the NIST report on “The 9-11 Movie”. Many won’t look at reality simply because “the scientists” told them it happened a certain way.

        It’s the same with the crushed dinosaurs and ferns. They are “fossil fuels” and the implication is that it is irreplaceable.

      • Peter asks of me a question: “Do you claim that the hypothetical abiotic oil isnt dependent on solar energy?” Youbetcha. The Sun has nothing to do with it, at all, Additionally, it does not require unimaginable lengths of time. Oil is continuously being produced deep within the Mantle of the Earth and finds its way to the surface by means of pressure: it is a one-way process. It has absolutely nothing to do with fossils.

      • This is to respond to Peter’s comment about the energy to sustain life necessarily coming from the sun. That’s known now to be incorrect, yet another popular myth drilled into us since we were kids. The “deep biosphere” in the subsurface contains organisms which derive their energy through chemical processes, called chemoautotrophy and chemolithotrophy. See this Wiki article:

        These microorganisms (which I subsumed in the term “bacteria” before; really, they are mostly Archaea) oxidize iron, manganese, sulfur, etc., for energy. They eat rocks!

        The origin of the methane, the original carbon source for the more complex hydrocarbons found in oil, was not the sun, but the interstellar cloud out of which the planets condensed. Methane is found in the spectra of all the planets, and is very abundant, the reason it is believed to have preexisted planetary formation.

        Photosynthesis developed much later than chemoautotrophy or chemolithotrophy, and is a much more highly evolved process, first because it uses carbon dioxide as a carbon source. Carbon dioxide cannot be used as an *energy* source because it is fully oxidized. A complex mechanism evolved by which photons are captured by light-sensitive pigments to “fix” the carbon in carbon dioxide, which means basically bump it up by exciting electrons so it can become glucose, which IS a high energy source.

      • Let me just add my own, personal, view of this. We as people are enormously arrogant. What we call science is basically an attempt to understand the universe around us.

        To some degree we learn a little more as time goes on. Sometimes we get a little “extreme” in our belief that we actually “understand” what we observe.

        There are far more things that we don’t understand at all than those that I have confidence in. If something is consistently repeatable we say its “proven”. That doesn’t mean we “understand” it.

        There are relationships between all things that we do not begin to understand. We only have our senses and our willingness to use them. Somethings lie beyond our ability to discern them.

        Having said that, I am careful of superlatives and sweeping statements. For me to say “something can’t happen” means I know everything, and I don’t. In our planetary system we see everything as “sun centered”. That’s the cosmology. The commonly accepted idea is that everything ultimately came from interactions that originated with or are dependent on sustainment from the Sun. It’s a good theory, I don’t know how accurate it is.

        The interactions taking place deep within the Earth are thought to be “nuclear” in nature. So, you can see that as either pressure and heat “causing” a reaction, or a reaction causing the pressure and heat.

        New elements are formed under such conditions just as existing ones are destroyed under the same conditions. This is a central point in my theory of the destruction of the towers we discussed earlier. To produce a product such as we saw requires energy in excess of what is normally available.

        Somewhere in this process oil is created. It may pick up bits of organic matter in its rise toward the surface, or it may not. Simple math would show that oil being made from biological waste would be impossible in the quantities already extracted.

        The list is very long of “discoveries” made that scientists have leaped upon with both feet and ran off to form complex chains from. They are often wrong. Making a cogent argument does not necessarily “prove” something. If may just be a good argument and there may be others just as good.

        For now I think I have grasped the idea of oil being a naturally occurring phenomenon. The rest is speculative but interesting. If our laws of physics hold true you have to have something containing energy to make energy. Put a better way, oil is like a storage battery. It has “potential” energy stored within it, like some other materials.

        For that to happen requires that it be made from something that also contains that potential. When we use energy it doesn’t “disappear” it assumes a different form. The Universe seeks balance. We artificially create an imbalance to “generate” energy and use the result. We are grabbing the energy between its former “steady state” on its way to a new “steady state”. That’s why when you heat something it cools.

      • Patrick and the others who commented on the origin of energy for the hypothetical abiotic oil
        Patrick says” youbetcha the sun has nothing to do with it”
        I feared you really believe in the free lunch option.
        Sorry Patrick, the law of energy conservation is very unforgiving.
        Whatever may be produced down there it needs to dissipate energy.
        There is no significant energy source appart from the sun. No matter how solar energy manages to make itself available down there it must be there in some form.
        (There is an energy STORAGE in the core but the source is a tiny fraction of radiactively decaying nuclei and its negligible compared with the solar influx.)

      • In a way I am in agreement with Peter. In another, I not so sure. First, if we believe that the Sun is the “only” or “primary” source of energy, Peter’s explanation makes sense. I have not said that. The reason the Sun is thought to be a source is that it is a product of another combination of unstable material and, as such, is trying to get to its “normal” state of being, which is stability.

        When we enrich nuclear materials we are “charging a battery”. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to do that. So we “invest” energy to take it out later, over time. That’s what the Sun does.

        Oil, (or wood, or gas, etc.), is NOT “energy”. They are materials capable of STORING the potential for energy. Energy occurs when something with this potential has its stability disrupted. That’s why when you spin a magnet through a field you force electrons to move. You store potential. When you create a path for the electrons to balance themselves and become “stable” they take it.

        So, (and I realize my explanations aren’t completely up to the task), reactions can be seen at least two ways. On way sees it as some force acting upon materials to cause them to become unstable. Another sees them as already unstable materials attempting to regain their natural stability.

        This accounts for the “lives” of elements. Very “stable” elements have long lives. Others do not. That is because they “decay” into more stable elements. The process works both ways. You can force a “new” element into being by applying unnatural forces to it. As soon as you stop it begins to decay back into whatever stable form it was before you affected it.

        All we are doing when we “use” energy is “harnessing” a phenomenon. We create an instability to use the resultant energy. So, if oil is created by various interactions occurring deep within Earth it is capturing the potential from those interactions and producing a substance that is more stable than what it came from. When we burn it we are doing the same thing. You can continue this process in various ways until you create a substance that is extremely stable and unusable as energy.

    • If u mean Alex Jones, I can say, being close listener and having hrd his comments on the subject, he’s absolutely positive Bost. incident was phony false-flag–Alex was all over that one, even having a reporter, Dan Bidondi, on the scene there who embarrassed the mayor at a news-conf.

  6. The five different stories of Barbara Halstead that describe how the shooter entered the school:

    1. In Barbara Halstead’s 911 call she stated that she caught a glimpse of a man with a gun.

    2. In Barbara Halstead’s first statement to police she heard a noise and was going to call the custodian. She heard the noise again and looked up and the shooter was standing in the hall wearing sun glasses. Document 00007937

    3. Barbara Halstead told Detective Mudry that she heard a noise and stood up immediately and saw a man standing in the lobby. Document 00039308.

    4. Barbara Halstead told Lt Perry that she heard shots from outside and saw an individual approaching the school. She hid under her desk and he came in. (Note – he fired no shots inside the lobby in this statement ?) Then when did Hochsprung, Sherlach and Hammond get shot?- Document 00029067

    5.Barbara Halstead told Lt Hofbauer she saw one male approach the school and start shooting at the glass. Document 00025074

    And then to cap it all off she said that she hid in a closet for 4 hours with Sally Cox?

    • The Halsteads… MAJOR players in the hoax…. Fire Chief William Halstead, his daughter, Karin, an EMT Captain who probably was the one to call down the EMT’s that morning, Bill’s former wife and Karin’s mother… Barbara, whose testimony about what she saw in the school that day has several variations… and who claims to have stayed in a closet with nurse Sally Cox for almost 4 hours.

      And… let’s not forget Debbie Aurelia, the infamous town clerk, who refused to release the death certificates. Debbie is now Debbie Halstead after her recent marriage to William.

      You can’t make this stuff up….

    • AND, her ex-husband, Bill, owner, ceo, etc. of the fire house, did what? For four hours he couldn’t get a report on his ex-wife? We know he was at the fire house because he said the first alert he heard was when the first cops were getting on site. He also helped a shot gal get out of her car and into the ambulance. Come on, is any of this believable?

    • Kathy,

      Just wondering…. why do you refer to the students in question as “illegal” immigrants?

      • “Education is one of the highest priorities for most immigrant families,” she said and others have noted their families came here expressly for the educational opportunities.”

        And no doubt other benefits the tax payers pay for.

        Forget what the latest politically correct descriptor is. Is it future democratic voters?

  7. Not to change the subject but I just ran across a follow on to the death records link:

    They’re saying Obongo did this through the use of an “executive memo”. Check it out.

    You have to watch carefully but there is a reference to the cause of this primarily being a suit about his SSN being from the dead man in Connecticut. Just happened to be a Fairfield Hills resident.

    • More evidence of pre-planning the event. Funny their purported purpose is to stop identity theft and we have been notified by two different government agencies in the last two years they our confidential information has been breached! They both offered free protection for a year but that site really tries to pressure you to buy in for better protection!

      • Kathy, yes. I was reminded again of the “synchronistic” nature of Obongo have a SNN from a former Fairfield Hills resident. The card was issued in Connecticut and Obongo has no record of ever having lived there.

        As this hospital has been linked to experiments in the past it seems a safe bet to assume that this locale has been a presence in the black ops community for a while.

        I would imagine that the “new rules” have as much to do with his desire to hide his SSN as it does to provide cover for SHES. It just a wonderful illustration of how rotten this whole thing is to the core.

  8. I will keep following the Sandy Hook event, hoping that something will come out of all our research, at the moment I feel the powers of B will never give up their charade.. surely someone somewhere has an interest in telling the truth..I’m really coming to believe that this is some kind of mind control.

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