Sandy Hook Documentary Isn’t About Sandy Hook: The Fortress and What’s Inside

The release of the documentary, “We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook” by the group, Independent Media Solidarity has become a story of aggressive copyright fraud, a massive video upload movement and an unexpected Internet solidarity more than a story of the controversial Sandy Hook event itself.

The weakest link in a chain is the one you choose to break.WNTTASH_Poster_Art21

If you imagine manufactured events like 9/11, the Aurora theater shooting, Sandy Hook and others as links in the greater chain of deception, you might be close to understanding the circumstances in which these events are allowed to go unchecked. This chain of events cannot survive if any one of its links is broken.

On November 30th, the fortress that protects the truth about these grand deceptions was dealt a very different kind of blow. Unlike fleeting exposures or leaks of evidence that quickly get swept into the memory hole, this blow has caused a festering wound that will persist indefinitely. The opening act in this play, long in production was the release of the documentary, “We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook.” This, nearly 3 hours long video exposing the numerous anomalies and ongoing cover-up is in itself an important, historical document. But, it’s the stories behind this story that are becoming a phenomenon.

A Documentary by and for the Common Man

In February of 2014, over a year since Sandy Hook many groups were deeply involved in research and analysis of the Sandy Hook event. This may come as a surprise considering that the media had long since moved on to speak of it as a well-documented, historical event. Referring to the little-understood, Adam Lanza as “the shooter” is but one example of their portrayal of the event as authentic and undeniable. What little attention the media paid to anyone who thought otherwise was limited to stories of “conspiracy theorists” harassing and even stalking victim’s family members. Behind these stories of bloggers turned stalkers was a large body of people who continued to question the event.

One such group questioning Sandy Hook was a research group on the topic comprised of 60 some odd members. Back in February, one of its members approached the group with an idea for a project that would involve a number of segments, each focusing on a different piece of evidence. The Sandy Hook event is, if you weren’t aware is brimming with anomalies and curiosities. These segments would then be combined to form a painstakingly factual and revealing expose. The only caveat was that nothing contained within a segment would be included if any of the others in the group specifically objected to it. In addition, each participant would be required to narrate their segment. The topics would be submitted to a coordinator beforehand, to prevent participants from covering the same topic.

Once a core group had formed, a repository for evidence such as photographs, video clips, news stories as well as narration scripts and cut lists was established and the work began. Over the course of 9 months, the work continued and the segments were produced with little consideration of cohesion or the end result. The coordinator and editor were tasked with producing an introductory and closing segment. As each completed segment was previewed, a picture began to form and as fate would have it the picture was that of a complete and very intriguing documentary.

Creating a Home for the Project and the Group behind It

Independent Media Solidarity
One other significant development emerged from within the project early on. One of the participants, who was also the editor had conceived of a way to give life to the project, prevent the video from becoming just a static document as well as give the group an informal identity. Without much fanfare, Independent Media Solidarity (IMS) was born. This would become the moniker under which the group could be identified. A website and various social media accounts were established in support of the group. Although the significance of this move was predicted to some degree by the group, none predicted just how significant or in which ways IMS would become a useful platform.

Video Take-Downs and the Surprising Counteraction

Long before the documentary was completed, it was determined that the usual method by which the video would be disseminated through YouTube would not work in this case. Many of the members had been stung previously by having videos flagged or removed through claims of copyright or privacy infringement. YouTube is heavily invested in the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) implementation, having designed an automated system by which to prevent copyright violations.

One component of the system is built into YouTube’s uploading function. As videos are uploaded, they are screened for audio that matches anything within a massive database of copyrighted material. If a match is found, one of two things happens. Either the uploader is presented with the option of disputing the claim or accepting it as accurate, or YouTube simply rejects the video on the basis of it being a violation of their terms. The second major component of their DMCA system involves the copyright owner making a claim against a particular video. In this process, the owner of the material flags the offending video and YouTube responds automatically by taking the video offline while notifying the video’s producer that a claim has been made. The video producer at this point must either accept the claim as accurate and forfeit the video or dispute the claim, at which time notice of the dispute is sent to the claimant.

The unfortunate side-effect of the overall process is that, during a 10 day period in which the claimant has to choose whether to take further action the video is offline.

As you might imagine this policy of allowing anyone to make a claim against any video is easily abused. The function largely favors claimants over producers of videos the claims are made against. As it stands, anyone can make a claim against any video to have it removed for a period of between 10 days and 3 weeks, and the uploader of the video has no recourse whatsoever. They are simply not afforded a means to legally challenge the claim aside from the initial dispute option. But this does nothing to prevent the take down of the video. It’s this concerning reality at the root of the next story behind the story.

As mentioned, the group chose not to upload their documentary to YouTube. After researching the options, it was determined that Vimeo would likely be the best home for the video. So, on November 30th it was uploaded to a newly established Vimeo account, a trailer was loaded to the group’s YouTube account and those of the participants. Despite there having been little hype in the time preceding its release, many people began to watch and the buzz was that people liked it.

Within less than 24 hours, Vimeo removed the video and sent notice that it was removed due to a violation of their terms. Here is the relevant text of that message…

Your video “We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook” has been removed for violating our Guidelines. Reason: Vimeo does not allow videos that harass, incite hatred or depict excessive violence.

Vimeo Take-Down Notice

If you haven’t yet seen the video, this might appear to be a legitimate reason for its removal. However, if you have seen the video it’s very unlikely that you’ll find the reason given to make much sense. There simply isn’t anything that could be construed as harassment or inciting of hatred. Not only is their not excessive violence, there’s no violence depicted at all. Therefore, it appears that Vimeo chose to remove the video for other reasons. I won’t begin to speculate what those reasons were and the group hasn’t bothered to inquire further into the matter. Both Vimeo and YouTube are notoriously steadfast in their take-down decisions and rarely, if ever provide detailed explanations for them.

Although the plan had been to load the video to a secondary host as back-up, that simply hadn’t been done when the primary source at Vimeo was removed. Being faced with a newly-released video now totally unavailable, the decision was made to upload it to the group’s YouTube channel. Although it was predicted that it wouldn’t last more than a day or two, this seemed the quickest way to make the video viewable again. Concerned about and fully expecting it to be removed from YouTube, the group also scrambled to upload the video to, which seemed like a suitable back-up source.

By this time there was a growing buzz across the Internet in places where conspiracies were discussed as well as matters of free speech. The group began to receive numerous requests through the simple contact form on its website for a copy of the video that people could upload to their channels both on YouTube and elsewhere. A completely unexpected phenomenon was showing its first signs when discussions of the take down by Vimeo was seen as unfair censorship. This generated more interest, the assumption being that for it to have been taken down so quickly what it contained must be bombshell material.

Although the matter of whether any material in the video constitutes being described as “bombshell” is relative, this notion did lead to increased interest. As the group struggled to ensure the video was viewable, considering the take-down of it at Vimeo to be a setback it was in no way a ruse by them to gen up interest through promoting a perceived notion of scarcity. This appears to have been an organic phenomenon.

YouTube Claim Summary
Then the video was taken down from YouTube. In just over 24 hours, the video was taken offline by a copyright claim made by the HONR network, represented by one Lenny Pozner. For those who may be unfamiliar with the Sandy Hook characters, Lenny is the purported father of child victim, Noah Pozner. Although Lenny wasn’t amongst the many victim’s parents making the rounds on news programs and morning shows, Lenny has been highly involved in post Sandy Hook event affairs. At the point at which it was taken down, just this single source of the video had received over 117,000 views. This was learned thanks to an observant viewer who kindly emailed a screenshot to the group.

YouTube Statistics

Some members of IMS had previously had videos removed through copyright claims. What was different in this case was that the claim made no reference to any specific material. It wasn’t possible to determine which specific material within the video was supposedly infringing on a copyright. The reader might be interested to know that, in order for a claim to be made at all the person or group making the claim must be the owner of the material. The group was perplexed, as it seemed extremely unlikely that any material in the video was owned by the HONR Network or Lenny Pozner.

Once again, the documentary was offline and a seemingly endless string of notices of this fact and requests for a different link to the video began to flood the group’s inbox. The uploading process for a nearly 3 hours long video can take many hours to complete, depending upon conditions like bandwidth availability. At the time the video was removed a second time by YouTube, the upload to was not yet completed. Once again, the video was inaccessible for a few hours until traffic could finally be redirected to At this time, the primary source of the video stream remains

Acts of Kindness and of Rebellion

Once the dust began to settle after scrambling to keep the video online, the group finally had a chance to see a sampling of the public’s reaction to it. It was overwhelmingly positive. Some comments online read like letters written to Charles Lindbergh after landing at Le Bourget Field. Messages coming in through the contact form often referred to the group as heroes. Even in places where the tone was typically cynical and comments were often times ugly, there was a swell of appreciation for the producers and many recommendations that others take the time to watch.

Below is a sampling of the comments found or received by IMS…

“The video you made was GREAT!…I’ve made a video with you guys in it to promote your work.”
YouTube User: HighImpactFlix

“Great work! Independent journalism is the only journalism. Thank-you for helping us understand reality in this lifetime.”
YouTube User: David Gordon

“i am sharing now………..i will do my part, world, how bout you?” commenter: truthlovingsoul

“It’s truly a great video! Very informative!!!… Well worth the time to watch!” commenter: LoP Guest

“Great job! I actually learned a thing or two. I’ll do what I can to get it out for you…here’s to viral status”
Vimeo User: SusanL

“Great video and i am so relieved this event is being looked into by so many talented people…”
Vimeo User: Stuart Heathcote

“HOLY MOLY! Who gets the Nobel prize for investigative journalism? Now THAT’S what the truth looks/sounds like. Many thanks!”
Vimeo User: Ron Trinny

“Thank you very much. I have forwarded your website and Vimeo link to my family members and will continue to promote your work at every possible opportunity, because, yes, we do need to talk about Sandy Hook.”
Received through Web Form: Anonymous

“Thank you for your incredible work exposing the Defrauding of the American people,”
Received through Web Form: Anonymous

“Keep doing what you’re doing. Thank you for your time and effort.”
Received though Web Form: Anonymous

The list above would be dozens of pages long if you were to compile all the supportive comments. It’s fair to say the response was generally positive, despite some negative assessments. But, in another example of how this whole phenomenon is different, the documentary found its way into the Internet Movie Database. That, in itself is unusual for videos produced as non-commercial ventures that didn’t receive wide release. Again, the views of those discovering the documentary through IMDB are highly favorable. At the time of this writing, 81 IMDB users have rated the video and the overall rating is a 9.5.

It doesn’t require re-printing the entirety of the eight reviews of the video to get a clear impression of the reviewer’s opinion. Just take a look at the review titles alone…

  • Worth the time. Amazing.
  • Very well prepared.
  • A Oscar worthy documentary that will change everything
  • Well done
  • Paradigm shifting
  • A must see!!!!!
  • Excellent documentary! 10 star
  • The Smoking Gun of Sandy Hook Research

View the complete reviews on IMDB…

Some will argue that the phenomenon of numerous people uploading portions of or all of the video was born entirely from the early reports that it had been taken down. The perception this led to was that the material in the video was explosive and that taking it down stood as another example of an attack on free speech. They will likely cite the spreading news of the many other video take-downs as only supporting their theory that all the uploading was in response to this.

There’s little doubt that this partly accounts for motivating this mass upload, but it simply doesn’t make sense that it accounts for it all. Fundamentally, a video is uploaded to a user’s channel with the expectation that at least some people will view it. Popular YouTube channels that regularly see thousands of views of any video uploaded to their channel would expect similar results from this video. But, the channels where videos barely garnered any views and had few or no subscribers wouldn’t expect so many viewers. Some of these less-trafficked channels broke up the video into as many as 15 or more parts. So, when a couple days had been spent uploading the first half as only a handful of viewers took notice, it was clear their channel wasn’t going to receive much traffic. Yet they diligently uploaded the remaining parts.

Simply put, never before has such a mass upload occurred on YouTube. It’s astonishing to see. As IMS isn’t aware of a method to track exactly how many copies of the video were uploaded before being taken down, the true number may be impossible to know. What is apparent is that comments from users on various channels and comment threads indicate that they too had uploaded the video and had it taken down. IMS is making efforts to record the account names and titles of copies of the video still available on YouTube. But, the take-downs are occurring at about the same rate as the new copies that are uploaded in response.

The Coordinated Efforts to Eliminate this Video and the Greater War on Free Speech

I’ve made reference to the various incidents of copyright claims being made against the documentary appearing on the official IMS YouTube channel and many others. These incidents, however aren’t limited to the actual documentary itself. It has been discovered that, likely in response to this mass upload event they’ve upped the ante.


Well known YouTube user, blogger and activist Dutchsinse has a very compelling story to tell involving his copy of the documentary being taken down, videos that merely report on the take-down phenomenon being taken down and even efforts by YouTube and other social media outlets to limit his ability to communicate with his fan base. Dutchsinse is no stranger to difficulties with YouTube and other social media portals, having had his account shut down 6 times in 4 years. Each time his account was shut down it was as a direct result of false copyright claims. In each case, he fought the claim and his account was restored.

Not only was Dutchsinse in the sights of those who falsely file claims of copyright infringement, he’s also been the victim of anonymous claims that he is an imposter. This actually led to his story being covered in grotesque detail on and other main-stream sites. In short, when an anonymous individual flagged his unwanted and unused Google+ account which happened to be connected to his popular YouTube account, it resulted in the interconnected accounts being taken offline. The 800 videos and his 75,000 subscribers just disappeared and no mechanism existed for him to refute the false claim.

Only because he had a connection inside Google was his issue raised with the proper departments, resulting in his YouTube account being restored. However, his access to the Google+ account tied to the YouTube account was not restored requiring he go through an identity verification process. Surprisingly, this was still deemed necessary despite the fact that his account was under the name Dutchsinse, not his real name Michael Janitch. The passport he used as the photo ID required by Google didn’t contain a reference to this pseudonym, and the processes in place seemed insufficient to reconcile this.

If not standing as an example of a serious campaign to harass Dutchsinse, then certainly standing as evidence of the unfair policies of Googe/YouTube he was forced to comply with this identity verification process 6 times. In each case, the anonymous person making the claim wasn’t required to identify themselves or provide any contact information.

The HONR Network Website

When Dutchsinse recently produced a video in which he merely describes how his copy of the documentary was given a strike by Lenny Pozner of the HONR Network, that video too was given a strike and taken down. But, this time there was something different about the claim and something that should be very concerning to anyone hoping to keep the Internet a home for free speech. Unlike other copyright or privacy claims he had received, this one didn’t allow him to dispute it. When he clicked on what had formerly led him to the copyright claims dispute form, there was a message instead that read simply… “This video is not eligible for a counter-notification.”

Video not eligible for counter-notification.

As Dutchsinse explains in an article on his blog, “The fact that I cannot dispute this means that even though I committed no crime, I have been deemed guilty by the person accusing me of the crime. I now have to get a lawyer and sue to have this accusation of a crime removed”.

CW Wade
It’s known who is doing the targeting of certain online content, in Dutchsinse’s case and in the case of IMS and others. But it isn’t only Lenny Pozner and the HONR network that’s working hard to oppose the efforts of IMS and others to speak freely about the Sandy Hook event. Take, for example one CW Wade. Wade began to appear first through his YouTube channel, Wadesvids. His very first video was a lengthy analysis of the official report in which he attempted to reconcile as many of the anomalies discovered by independent researchers with the official report. From there, he graduated to appearing on radio shows and podcasts where his position as a supporter of the official account of events was cemented.

Over the following months CW Wade began to establish a number of online blogs which he has devoted to the singular topic of Sandy Hook “hoaxers” and “stalkers.” Through first one and now a handful of blogs, he slanders many people researching Sandy Hook with an obvious proclivity to bend the words he uses to better portray his subjects as “stalkers.”

One example is an article in which he accuses one researcher of soliciting the help of another, whereby he claims they put a “…stalking hit…” on someone related to the Sandy Hook event. I’ve heard examples of stalking, but this is truly the first time I’ve heard that one stalker may have asked someone else to stalk on their behalf. It’s clear that CW Wade’s intent is to do as much damage as he can to people questioning Sandy Hook. The answer to whether anyone in the IMS group knows who CW Wade is working for isn’t being revealed.

In a bold move that only leads people to further suspect deception, Wade published another blog that this time he acquired a domain name for. The reason why a proprietary domain name was a requirement in this case was that it was needed to create the impression of being a regional news site. Writing articles now for the “Newtown Post-Examiner,” Wade appears to be making an attempt to pose as a writer working for a non-biased news organization. The strategy appears to be paying off to some degree. A few news stories on the web cite quotes from the Newtown Post-Examiner. They don’t bother to clarify that it’s a blog and likely doesn’t employ an editorial review process.

Incidents of this online persona slandering people who produce content questioning the Sandy Hook event is not only impacting the individuals but, by association anyone in the growing community of those who question the event. Making these acts even more sinister is the possibility that they are part of a coordinated effort working with other groups, one of which was mentioned previously.

Cease and Desist

When one member of IMS had received two copyright strikes made by Lenny Pozner resulting in two videos being taken offline, he noted something CW Wade said in one of only two exchanges they had with each other. Only the member and the claimant, Lenny Pozner knew that they had been saddled with two copyright strikes. In closing a comment made to the member, CW Wade asked, “How many strikes is that now?” Without explaining exactly how, the comment made it clear that CW Wade received this information from Lenny Pozner. It’s likely that CW Wade didn’t wish to make this fact known. It doesn’t seem all that far-fetched considering that Wade has allowed his blogs to be used as a pulpit by Lenny.

The relationship between Lenny Pozner and the HONR Network has been well established. In what is unlikely to be a simple case of showing appreciation for having shared values, CW Wade openly supports the HONR Network which has even been the subject of articles by Wade. Because Lenny Pozner is engaged in making false and illegal claims against members of IMS and their supporters, and CW Wade has made numerous statements that slander IMS members as well as others, they are engaging in a criminal conspiracy. CW Wade has openly called for IMS members to be the targets of law enforcement actions, claimed that they are lying to their respective subscribers and that it’s just a matter of time before they WILL commit acts of violence. IMS requests that these claims be examined carefully. They state that not a single shred of evidence exists to support them and that, to view them individually isn’t likely to reveal Wade’s true intent. But, to view them within the context of Wade’s single-minded body of work shows clearly his intent to manipulate public opinion of those who dare to question officialdom.

What’s in a Name and Why it’s a Very Serious Matter

PerjuryIt is an act of perjury to file a claim of copyright infringement via YouTube using anything but your legal name. An alias may not be used when filing these claims. It is through the work of IMS members beginning before their documentary project even began that many now suspect “Lenny Pozner”is not the actual name of the person presenting himself using that name.

One very simple technique by which the average person may see evidence of this is to conduct a search of any number of public records databases, such as Radaris. Searching “Lenny Pozner” may, depending upon the system being queried result in a match for a person in Connecticut. On Radaris, for example a result for “Leonard P Osner” can be seen in Newtown CT. Researchers who have looked into the matter of Lenny’s true identity have cross-referenced the data available through both public and commercial sources and determined that “Leonard P Osner” is almost certainly an identity used by Lenny Pozner.

With that name in Radaris are associated aliases. They include “Enta C Pozner, Len Pozner, Lenny Pozner, Leonard Posner, Leonard Pozner and Eliezer Pozner”; six in total. How many aliases do you have? The more appropriate question in this case is, how many aliases are connected to your identity? My age is close to that of Lenny’s. I checked to see in Radaris how many aliases I was shown to have. I have one alias, which is a simple misspelling of my name with the last character of my middle name missing. Likely this was the result of an input error. If, however, Lenny’s actual legal middle initial and last name is “P. Osner” the fact that he’s credited for his editorials and has established a family under the last name “Pozner” is no simple clerical error.

Radaris results

Evidence is said to be in possession of IMS members indicating that Lenny has committed numerous acts of federal fraud by providing affidavits using names other than his legal name. This is not just a case of whether there was intent to defraud. It’s a simple requirement of certain documents. If the person who has filed no less than dozens of copyright claims on YouTube using the name Lenny Pozner has a different legal name, then this is a clear case of perjury, as YouTube specifies that they require the claimant’s sworn oath.

As IMS has been forced to deal with what are likely illegal attempts to disrupt dissemination of their new documentary, the plight of their supporters has become a concern as well. Not that the people who took it upon themselves to upload a copy of the video and been subject to its removal have been taking it sitting down. Many have been quite vocal in expressing their dissatisfaction with how easily the system allows for their videos to be taken offline. In one sense, YouTube is being exploited for this purpose. However, it’s YouTube’s lopsided system, favoring the claimant that doesn’t prevent and even facilitates the fraud.

IMS has determined that the best course of action to remedy the conditions that are impacting their supporters is to provide a detailed report of the problem to YouTube. As stated, YouTube is both being defrauded by these illegal claims and are themselves employing a system that facilitates it. There seems no party better situated to resolve the matter than YouTube themselves. The support mechanisms available to YouTube users are tailored for copyright owners making claims of infringement. Although there are mechanisms for some other scenarios, there simply isn’t anything amongst their standard support means suitable for reporting the situation IMS and their fellow YouTube users are in. Therefore, IMS is considering their options as it’s in the best interest of everyone concerned to report this activity in the most expedient way possible.

At present, IMS doesn’t know of any way to obtain a comprehensive list of YouTube videos taken offline through unwarranted and illegal copyright claims. That may require an in-depth and lengthy search effort. This should give you an idea of the numbers of users that could have potentially been impacted just in relation to the IMS documentary. Presented below are just the first 125 accounts that have uploaded the video to their respective channels…

Documentary Video Uploaders
documentaire Angel White Aaron Schuett
AnarchyWorld Jessica Morgan B3LI3V3R 1- FREEDOM FOR ALL
Kieran T ZeeRoeThree rorscharch5380
Jack Larson Hans Fuchs Stop Obooma
Qadosh Stephanos theunimaginables Kons Piracy
Jenn Openyoureyes The Vigilant Christian Paul Williams
houseoflogic1969 Overdose Denver SloppyCatProductions
Tatoott1009Reloaded 2 MIN NEWS tatoott1009 2 MIN NEWS xatisis
Skid Davidson a Voice Crying in the Wilderness grat mccall Useless Eater
psyopdestroyer druid189189 Eddie Rodrigues
Unorganised Confusion lee lee Richard Rowell
AnarchyWorld BIGBABYZIP Kevin Wright
jstark551 Miss Island Spice alex blazquez
Vigilant Guardian radroofer HighImpactFlix
dmonat truth4wtc7 Dwaven Gully
?????? (Documentary) Kieran T Anthony Barrea
Exposing The Big Three Scott Anthony xxxDemonDavexxx
YORAKHUNT Coy Calderon Red Angel
Lunos Pariah TheGronkeyKong stertim
santiagovalecallampa Christopher Yates Global Agenda
Taylor French Run2Christ {R2C} Bore Hog
SpreadingTruth Georgette Washington Kevo Palapala
13andsim Daniel Wierzbicki 1933Truth
tomtomandt John Mutch VeritasPress
Truth Seeker Free Mind Revolution Mole Nopoly
Vick Nash macek677 ST3ADYxKICKS
Reversed News TheFubar1066 TheWindjunkie
garuchillajoe Vick Nash KJV Only
Em Bean dextro org DITRH
Widiar Adam LeeBerty Free Thinker
Gary orGibby Bill Owens OFC Go F Yourself
peekay22 Wilson Phillips Fred Dagg
Keylontic Science The Knowing 101 Dicegirl72
ARMWORTH100 Leah-fathoms-stars Tom Goffnett
An Ony MattyD 4TruthAlt Beloki Memorial
DIGIVOXJ23 Joe Piscapo lavzee lavzee
Craig French Jeff Curtis silver palomino
Lee Beezy lucidmoment71 Wakulasan
Timmy Richardson Amanda Saor Alba Lv4music1
Aussieinthefight franco3830

The above list is in no way comprehensive. It lists only the first 125 uploaders. IMS will continue to record the account names of uploaders in a master list for future reference. Everyone’s efforts will not be forgotten.

The Future Remains Uncertain but One in Which We Might Speak Freely

There are definitely stories emerging from a simple, yet unprecedented act. Regular people came together to share their individual contributions in research of the Sandy Hook event. In addition to the sensible presentation of the information, people seem to appreciate that those presenting it are personally motivated to give of their time and energy without being paid to do so. Maybe this is why harsher criticisms of the amateur effort are set aside in favor of giving thanks.

There is mounting evidence that this controversial documentary is the target of a coordinated effort to prevent it from being seen. Because of this, the very people who appreciate the work of its producers found an opportunity to help by uploading the video themselves. In so doing, they’ve joined with IMS in solidarity; in sharing their goal of achieving full disclosure. Others who watched as people came to IMS’s aid, helping ensure their documentary would be seen were touched by the display and decided to join in.

It’s unclear how long this phenomenon will continue. We can’t know for sure how far the opposition will go to disrupt it. More interestingly, we don’t yet know what other twist will develop out of all this. One thing that it calls to mind is that the Sandy Hook matter appears far from being concluded. For so many people to express their thanks, there must be far more conspiracy theorists out there than traditional media would have us believe. For still more people to go to such great length to help the video get seen, there may be a bright future in which we’re free to speak our minds in store for us after all.

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356 thoughts on “Sandy Hook Documentary Isn’t About Sandy Hook: The Fortress and What’s Inside”

  1. It is so obvious – so over reaching – If you have nothing to hide and it IS what happened on the 14th of December, 2021 why censor and attack this video? Bigger Question – WHY CAN’T WE QUESTION THIS EVENT UNDER FREE SPEECH??? Wake – up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Great article, yes, they protest too much! Nothing short of full disclosure will put a rest to Sandy Hook, they could end the debating right away, by opening the full reports and redactions to anyone who wishes to file an FOIA request. If I was a family member & this was a real event, that is where I’d spend my energy, lobbying for full disclosure….to stop what they contend is harassment etc….their actions to cover up have caused the publics reactions!

  3. I recall another change that was made to youtube many years ago:

    I used to be able to see where my youtube clips were re-posted, and I can’t do this anymore (or if there is a way I’m not aware of it, it used to be very easy)
    in effect, it reduces the ability of like-minded people to congregate in cyberspace

    freedom of association, freedom to peaceably assemble, freedom of expression, all curtailed

  4. Great article, but please check spelling. “Their” instead of “there” in multiple instances… But overall great. Keep it up!

      1. Perfect! There’s a balancing act between writing correct English and not writing at all because one fears misspelling. Correct English helps promote trust in the messenger. But one must never go to the extreme of not writing at all because of fear of errors. The message is too important.

        I was going to send a private message to the author, but I couldn’t find one, so I posted it in comments instead. If I get some time over today I can look through it for the spelling errors I can find.

        I enjoyed every minute of the movie, too, even if I couldn’t stand Rosen. I was way too uncomfortable with his embarrassing charades.

        Eagerly awaiting more from you guys!


    1. Yes Anne, me too. Of course they may be bold enough to try to extort a settlement from the gun maker. We’re talking money here!

      I’d love to see them file. We could all help with that. I suspect this is just another publicity stunt.

      1. But if they go to court over it, won’t they have to produce actual evidence? And won’t that be open to the public afterwards?

        1. Who would they sue? They are already in cahoots with local, state and federal government. The media and charities as well. We should welcome lawsuits against an outsider, a non Sandy Hook player. Material for another documentary.

        2. Teresa, yes. I doubt anyone will sue. I meant that they could try to “bluff” the firearms manufacture into thinking they’d go through with a lawsuit. After all, to date I wouldn’t call them “bashful” when it comes to money.

        3. ” I wouldn’t call them “bashful” when it comes to money.”

          This brings up a whole new area of consideration. I would think that the SHES plotters would want the money for themselves and not only make their actors/beneficiaries very rich.

          “and the light shines on in the darkness and darkness could not overcome it.” John 1:5

        4. Possible defendants are the manufacturer of the car that drove the phantom killer to the school, manufacturer of the many weapons found, manufacturer of the bullets, the Lanza dad with the many names, the failed security system manufacturer, the glass window manufacturer, the expat psychiatrist who did not see this coming and various professionals at Yale who did not see it coming either.

          Not that I think any lawsuits are forthcoming, but the paper work was up against a deadline on Sunday leaving plaintiffs no choice amidst their yearnings for privacy.

          For someone not familiar with my view on the Sandy Hook event, I am being facetious.

    2. Anne B.,
      Just read that article you posted, thanks BTW.

      I find it odd that not one mention of suing the town and/or state, for not following emergency medical protocols, very telling. Perhaps anyone of the “victims” could have been saved had EMTs been allowed to do the job they are trained for…


  5. The Pozners do not exist. The alternate names in the article are not Lenny’s actual name either; there are three candidates that could have played the role and all from the same family. The actual mother has been identified and the in real life children that represented Noah and Charlotte Bacon are actually brother and sister. He is a member of the Davis, Morse, Moreno, Ondo, Bunn crowd that appears to be a more than apparent crisis actor clan with connections to It Works which is a health in beauty aide company that appears to be a haven of crisis actors and government sanctioned FRAUDS. Some of these people have two and three names beyond their fictitious Sandy Hook name and it appear a good many of the fringe Sandy Hook crowd also have fictitious names. Every one of these parents is using a fictitious name and the family histories and claimed credentials are all fabricated lies including public record.

    The years in planning is more than evident where they may have actually interacted and functionted under their alter in order to deceive the public. Even the histories beind the Wheelers is a load of BS and their history speaks to the pre-planning to defraud the public.

    The actor that is portraying Mark Barden is listed in public as the Present of a company called Video Pros

    The Pozner lie

    More in the photo line on Twitter @rebelready

    1. In the past we’ve visited that thought, up to and including longterm assumption of various personalities. After all, there is a history of planting personalities, “characters” into operations. There isn’t any reason why said characters couldn’t be under contract.

      I admit to being very bad with faces. I trust the judgement of others on that score better than my own. So when I look at the “actors”, I am not so much concentrating on their appearance as I am on their demeanor.

      In the same way that those who have been trained in “communication” tend to have certain postures and inflections in their delivery, actors do as well. The “normal” general public are not usually that polished in public situations.

      As a suggestion, those of us without your skills in facial recognition may have a difficult time trying to understand some of your allusions. The charts with the arrows, etc., would be easier to understand if there were a “For Dummies” version. I do, however, appreciate what you’re doing.

  6. Great article.

    I did several searches to see how many hits I would get on

    Deanna Spingola, C W Wade

    AmericanFreePress, C W Wade

    In each case I got over 1800 hits

    If C W Wade is closely connected to Lenny Pozner and Lenny Pozner is increasingly associated with the prospect of being a false name/identity used illegally, then perhaps Deanna Spingola and American Free Press, and perhaps also “Keith Johnson”, are closely associated with this coordinated false scheme to discredit those who question Sandy Hook event.

    I believe Wolfgang Halbig has been harassed by someone identifying themselves as Lenny Pozner and that speaks very well of Wolfgang Halbig.


    I am beginning to see that

    YouTube (owned by Google – Larry Page et al.) and Vimeo (owned by — names associated — Zach Klein, Jakob Lodwick and Barry Diller)

    and Wiki
    and GoFundMe
    and on and on I could go

    are all themselves a coordinated network.


    I hope that a lawsuit can be filed against “Lenny Pozner” and YouTube and Vimeo.

    I would be happy to donate to such a cause and I would love to have my own copy of the video

    We Need to Talk About Sandy Hook

    If I get the energy, I plan to index the video giving where timewise on the track each subject is presented and where each segment begins and the screen name of each presenter.

    This video is an important reference document and this indexing at least needs to be done.

    There really should be a full transcript of this video. I may take a shot at that when I get better vision wise.

    1. I really appreciate your input and knowing that you’re in support of our work. FYI, if anyone should do the transcript it’s me as I have the narration scripts and could fill in the gaps. It’s a long process even still. But, I’ve heard that YouTube’s automatic English transcript can be exported for editing, taking advantage of the built in timing.

      Although I’m not wanting to advertise this, it’s important that I start sharing news of the general concept, get feedback and start building the support needed. There’s a plan being considered with the group now involving first a goal to have all the formerly removed copies of the documentary restored to their respective accounts on YouTube. There’s enough evidence in place now to prove that YouTube has been used in 100 or more copyright claims that were both fraudulent and cases of perjury. Rather than target the group filing the claims, the idea is to leverage the evidence to convince YouTube to take action as they are the primary victim in each case.

      Knowing how YouTube is positioned and limited obligation to their users, we think a video “Message to YouTube Management” if mass uploaded as in the case of the documentary would convince them to at minimum restore the videos, and at most cause them to “appear to be” taking action against the perps. Who knows? Maybe YouTube would appreciate being forced to do this, as they may not entirely be willing participants. This might be the perfect “out” opportunity.

      At this point, I just want our fellow-YouTubers who had their videos taken down to prepare for a second wave with this, much shorter video message that will not only mention their account but speak from their perspective.

      1. Honr Network is using a You tube video, hosted by Secular Network, to advise people as to how they can have “We Need To Talk About Sandy Hook” videos pulled.

        The fans of secular network are having a big pow wow tonight. Lenny is working overtime.

  7. I tried twice to upload to my channel ( took 6 hours, I believe ) and received, each time, a message that said that I had exceeded my 15 minute video length. I have no such restrictions as my channel was upgraded 3 years ago to allow for extended uploads. Also, I had a copyright infringement notice strike against my account this past summer when I produced a very short video of Vani Hari and Michael Adams on two separate daytime shows ( The Doctors and Dr. Oz, irrespectively ) parroting the very same mantra about the FDA. I titled the video, ‘Controlled Opposition’ and even copied the link to Vani Hari’s site. Within a day it was pulled. My comments were then afterwards censored. The same goes for Mike Adams’ Natural News website and Jeffrey Smith’s IRT website. My comments somehow just conveniently disappear when I give an alternate view of the subject matter. That does not sound like an open society to me. Dr. Oz claimed copyright infringement on the ‘Controlled Opposition’ video and it has been “banned worldwide”. Why “worldwide”? Why ‘banned”?? I merely edited a portion of the clip and made no changes to the dialogue.
    ( just checked my channel and the video has been removed from my upload list. ) I have tried numerous times to out certain frauds and carpet baggers but their web of connections is wide and tightly woven.

    The charges of ‘We Need To Talk About Sandy Hook’ documentary being hateful, harassing or violent is beyond ludicrous. Should we levy these charges at the mainstream media for promulgating fear and horror when they show images of “Ferguson”, ” Aurora”, “Columbine”, “9-11″ or ” Oklahoma City bombing”? Or any other nightly “news” feature that permits the footage of war atrocities? Is it not hateful to show the bombing of Iraqi citizens? Did we not harass these people with our guns, bombs, tanks, planes and door to door round ups of innocent citizens? Talk about hypocrisy! I had a video on YouTube for years that demonstrated the horror of war yet the video was never removed until I did so myself. I suppose one can show maimed and mutilated babies on YouTube…as long as they ain’t ‘white’…..and from New England.

    What the hell kind of insane world are we living in and why are we talking ‘politely’ about the gigantic shaft buried deep in our posteriors? Surely we are blind now with the penetrating reality that we are being duped beyond any doubt? Is there anyone still asleep at the ‘wheel’?

    Ah, yes….there are, now that I recall. I do have sisters that believe that their ‘government’, and provider of a monthly stipend, loves them unconditionally. So there are still many who could benefit from intrepid investigators like the IMS…..and polite talk thereof.

    1. The more widely you circulate your stories about the censorship you are experiencing, the better.

      As Dachsielady said, all these entities which control our ability to get the message out are connected. They are all CFR/CIA. Their blatant censorship of your videos shows they are threatened, to the point they have thrown caution to the winds and are clumsily tromping all over free-speech rights. Their justification for their conduct is sheer babble. And there is this air of desperation about it: the public must at last begin to see not only the hypocrisy, but the level of censorship and control even these hip “populist” news channels like YouTube exercise over communications which do not toe the party line.

      Thanks so much for what you are doing, jamie and all you videomakers and writers. I see cracks forming in the monolith.

      1. Dinophile, I think that you are an unsung hero. I have my ‘theories’ as to the reasons behind the blatant absence of recognition for your personal contributions. Nonetheless, you have my respect and admiration.

        1. Wow, thanks so much! That really means a lot to me, jamie.

          Of course, there are many “unsung heroes” on this blog–I learn new things all the time!

  8. This is strange, some of the Sandy Hook parents have announced plains to sue as reported by the courant and MSNBC.

    Predict another mass payout settled out of court.

    Great job on the video again!


      1. Yes, that’s good. I know I’m going to expose my ignorance here, but aren’t there other ways besides “YouTube” and “Vimeo”? I don’t understand the mechanics of this.

        As the article says, this is truly disturbing, not just because of SHES. If someone makes a video and another claims a copyright infringement, doesn’t the maker have the right to ignore it unless there is a court order? Anyone can be sued, of course, but what if someone posts it and refuses to remove it?

        I suppose that is what “Veterans Today” is doing, but if that is possible, why would anyone need “YouTube” or “Vimeo”. Is there a technical issue I’m missing?

        1. I’m no authority, loofah, but the way I see it YouTube and Vimeo are, in the end, just web sites. Very big ones, and ubiquitous, but they are not public utilities. They might SEEM public, but they are private property and no one can force them to change the rules by which they allow the public to post things on them.

          Long ago, practically anything could be posted on Youtube. I don’t know if it coincided with the evil giant Google purchasing YouTube for billions of dollars, but there came a point when it became an everyday event to find that a video is no longer available. Which is a problem for researchers who post articles and embed videos as virtual footnotes. If the video is a “prooftext” in an article someone reads years later, and the video “no longer exists,” it damages the integrity of the researcher’s work.

          That is, we’ve complacently grown accustomed to treating YouTube as a permanent, virtual, library where we can deposit materials that will stay there forever. But it’s more like Wikipedia, where anything can be removed at any time, and there’s nothing we can do about it.

        2. “YouTube and Vimeo are, in the end, just web sites. Very big ones, and ubiquitous, but they are not public utilities.”

          So right. I was way off base in thinking they could be sued.

          It sounds like Derrick and company are dealing with this most intelligently.

          Derrick refers to YouTube and Vimeo as “the system” but I really do not see how we can “put pressure” the system unless we could boycott them and put financial pressure on them to do right and that does not seem like something that could happen.

          It needs to come about that YouTube is not basically the only game in town.

          Certain identification of Pozner and C W Wade is a very big ace in hole though.

        3. Patrick, my mind may be like a “sponge”, but its depressing when others start to notice!

          Anyway, I think the point I was trying to make was that I realize that they’re private concerns and, therefore, they can make their own rules, but I don’t understand the significance of why everyone uses them. Is there some reason why you couldn’t just post a video to any website?

          My other question is that, once posted to YouTube or Vimeo, do they now control it? I have deliberately remained ignorant of many things surrounding the internet. I have too many other interests than to devote the necessary time to studying it. I am grateful that others are willing to go through this to host sites.

          I realize that by not getting promotion from Google it would adversely affect the distribution. That said, word of mouth is pretty good. I have noticed that some videos are “taken down” on other sites. If the owner of the video wants it played how does that happen?

          I guess I’m assuming that if I posted a video here someone could complain about it but I don’t think they could make Dr. Tracey take it down unless it was a term of his agreement with the host. YouTube’s choice to do that is just that, their choice.

          After they went to so much trouble to produce the video I am having trouble understanding how either of the two main hosts can have that much control. If they don’t want it there can’t you just post it elsewhere. Maybe not, like I said, I don’t completely understand how this works.

  9. I wonder why the IMS folks have not yet found themselves a good private investigator willing to do some nominal pro bono work. PI’s have access to huge databases with names, alias’s, family members etc. While PI’s tend to charge a lot for these background checks, in reality that only cost about $6-10 per run. It is easy to analyze them for inaccuracies if you know the ropes. I know because I used to be a PI years ago. There is a huge amount of data to be had on these Sandy Hook actors out there. I would be willing to help with an analysis, but don’t have a license right now to do the computer runs.

    1. Gail, I’ve been saying that for a long time. This needs someone with skills and access to databases. Everyone here tries in their own way, but a skilled investigator has access to and knowledge of various other avenues.

      I would love to see what a good investigation could unearth. They’ve hidden a lot of the common records, there are certainly others that those with the services could discover.

    2. Gail, who says we haven’t found a good PI? Who says some of us aren’t PIs? I’m being cheeky, but you get the idea. My response to why we haven’t hired an outside PI on behalf of the group is based on previous experience and in light of what we’ve already obtained. We aren’t daring to share the most damning evidence. The reasons to withhold evidence of some types are many. Much of it relates to individuals. Some of it is only partially useful until related evidence can be obtained. Finally, I’m afraid we’re in a difficult spot with SH and other events. Reminds me of the mysterious death of Spinal Tap’s drummer that they said was, “best left unsolved.” The struggle isn’t to research this further as much as it is to gain sufficient public support to pressure the “system” into solving it themselves. I hope this makes some sense and it isn’t meant to diminish the research work ongoing.

      1. Derrick, that’s interesting. I can see your point. I, of course, have no way to know just who has investigated this and to what extent. I know that many of us have spent considerable time on it.

        That said, I, for one, do not possess the skills or the sources to do a “professional” job. As far as pressuring “the system” to investigate this, I’m afraid I don’t hold much faith in that happening. I personally think that, if enough embarrassing information came out the best one could hope for was some spin and damage control.

        That said, I don’t suggest that we don’t investigate. If someone has concrete evidence there would have to be a serious conversation about how to get that into public awareness. I don’t think that is impossible, it would take some creativity, however. The video is certainly a good start.

  10. Very refreshing article, thank you. It is a nice change from the constant and almost boring complaint about the mainstream media’s role in the censorship of conspiracies against humanity. The mainstream media could not do it alone. YouTube, Vimeo and other alternative information providers need to censor unorthodox information with the same zeal, albeit through different processes. Ditto, in the case of the probable Sandy Hook conspiracy, for the NRA, the John Birch Society, and other institutions that should denounce the hoax as a treasonous and repugnant assault against gun rights, using arguments that even gun control partisans would have to accept.

    Plato’s cave is big. Indeed it is so big that very few activists encompass its size.


  11. I just watched it on YT. Sensational, phenomenal, amazing, riveting, thrilling, chilling and shocking. AWARD WINNING !! Without a doubt the best documentary on Sandy Hook, without question. Easily one of the best produced documentaries ever on youtube. I know it’s almost 3 hours long, but give it 15 minutes and I promise you’ll be hooked, no pun intended, you won’t be able to stop watching.

  12. I downloaded a copy of the movie. If anyone wants me to email it to them (is that possible to do?), I’d be happy to.

    Is there anywhere I can post it where it won’t be taken down?

    1. A search of the movie title and “torrent” will provide links to download with any torrent client. At YouTube, simply search the title and scan for a copy that’s over 2 hours in length. There are dozens or more versions of it that remain on YouTube at the moment. FYI, the version at is available again. It’s not clear what happened, but it’s now the official stream on our group’s site,

      1. I am listening again to the video, this time the one that is now restored on

        The quality of the audio on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 the best is about a 4.

        Breaking up bad.

      1. I think you could probably also upload it to, which is a secure online vault, and give people a link to it. Box costs only $10/mo. While I haven’t tried it with videos, I have documents in an account there and each one is protected by a 20-character password. That means it cannot be cracked.

    1. The in-on-it media needs to remind and constantly reinforce to the public that the poor people of Sandy Hook have been hounded and threatened by the mentally deranged from the get go. Remember, they’ve already told us that Sandy Hook “victims” will need assistance ($$$$$) for many, many years to come. Like 9/11, it’s implanted.

    2. Anne, according to your article he’s been locked up the whole time. I like this line from the story; ccording to a filing from a dense lawyer” (direct quote).

      I wonder if he knows “Carlos”?

      1. The article states he has been locked up since June and guess we can assume the loony tune year was shortly thereafter the horrid hoax. No doubt it took his dense lawyer all these years to get him extricated to Venezuela for proper mental health care.

      2. Wilfrido Cardenas Hoffman pleaded guilty as charged yesterday. Having been in custody since June, his psychiatric diagnoses must be extensive.

        Witnesses were prepared to testify. However, what I gather from the article, none did. Mr. Hoffman’s dense (defense?) attorney came from the Federal Defense Office.

        The top federal prosecutor said Mr. Hoffman’s actions “compounded the collective suffering of the town”. $uffering.

        lophatt – Carlos, a Costa Rican-American, has his own Wikipedia site. I doubt Wilfrido, a Venezuelan who spoke English well enough to frighten Newtown residents; will be elevated to Carlos’ status.


          “He admitted making 90 calls to 47 families and businesses two days after the Dec. 14, 2012, shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School.”

          “Speaking through two interpreters, including a bilingual public defender, Hoffman pleaded guilty to a single felony count of making threatening phone calls.”

          I am still wondering about “Our Man in Venezuela” and have some unanswered questions. If Wilfrido can’t speak English, how did his victims in Newtown understand what he said? Perhaps he sought out residents with Hispanic names, but not a heck of a lot of those in Newtown. More luck in Danbury.

          How can a man in Venezuela make 90 phone calls to Newtown, having those numbers handy, not speak proper English, but still make those Newtowners believe he is Adam Lanza from the other side?

          On the eve of the 2nd anniversary of the Sandy Hook event, they are getting more and more brazen with their tales.

          Next we’ll have a national holiday declared for December 14th.

        2. I believe the article, timely in that it was published day before the 2nd SHES anniversary, is “a shot over the bow” …. an intimidating message to anyone who may want to open their mouth about the event. Look at this nut’s photograph … his neck and ears look totally photo-shopped, but at least this psychotic, rifle-toting wannabe doesn’t have googly eyes in HIS featured photo… maybe his meds are working!

          Boy, you can’t make this stuff up … or maybe you can …

        3. Que lastima! Mui mal esuarte de las Wilifridito. I can’t get that image out of my mind. The phone call: “Es Genaro en casa? Genaro, dees ees Adam. No Gene, leesen, I no have to show you no EYE DEE, I a gonna keel you!”, comprendo? Muerte!.

          I don’t know what little Winifredo was drinking down at the cantina, but my guess is that the worm died. Maybe “Adam” was dancing a hat dance down at the “Dance, Dance (whatever)” emporium. “Aye carumba”.

          All I can say is that somehow it fits. Just like a giant rabbit named Harvey would fit.

        4. lophatt, thanks for the laugh – much needed in these times.

          This Wilfrido character, why write him into the script? Btw, I have more on Wilfrido who apparently can’t speak English. It’s in moderation. Frequent moderations now. It’s not Professor Tracy.

          That got me thinking, probably over thinking which now is epidemic in Newtown with a price tag attached. Now we have one Wilfrido, he is presumably Spanish speaking, calling English speaking Newtown residents. Yet later he needs several translators because he can’t speak English.

          How does this man acquire all these Newtown numbers two days after 12/14/12? He threatens them in English, but in captivity needs several translators? He knows the slang word “gonna”, but needs translators. Does he have connections/handlers?

          According to msm, Wilfrido hails from El Hatillo, Venezuela. El Hatillo has a 29 year old mayor with the name of David Smolansky, a descendent of Russian immigrants via Cuba.

          David Smolansky received a diploma from the Global Competitiveness Leadership Program at Georgetown University.[2]

          The Constitution of Venezuela of the year 1999 declared Spanish and languages spoken by Indigenous people from Venezuela as official languages.

          From msm:
          “This is Adam Lanza. I’m gonna [expletive] kill you. You’re dead. You’re dead. You hear me? You’re dead,” the caller said, according to authorities. In another phone call, Cardenas is accused of saying: “This is Adam Lanza. I’m gonna kill you. You’re dead. With my machine gun. You’re dead [expletive].”

          On the eve of another anniversary, this is the latest jewel in the Sandy Hook cockamamie crown.

      1. Mr. Hoffman’s actions “compounded the collective suffering of the town”

        They all need another $283K infusion to keep going…haha What a sick joke.

        1. Ric – funny you should mention that. Almost another million is on the way:

          Newtown has another problem – overthinking. Associated Press says so:

          Should be good for another million or two.

          On Sunday flags will be waving at half-staff all over the state of Connecticut:

        2. Hey, times are HARD! Besides, I’m told there’s a bumper crop in Afghanistan this year. Maybe this “healing” will continue until a drought makes it impossible.

          By now you’d think the streets would be awash in money. This is like the fabled City of Cibola.

        3. Ric, I can hardly hear the sobbing over the rending of garments and the gnashing of teeth. “Leave us alone…….but send money”. It’s no wonder why people get into show business. The royalties are hard to beat.

  13. CW Wade engages in malicious adhominem attacks- he tries to always interject and associate allegations of stalking, threats , harassment and other adverse allegations against “truthers”. Wade rarely debates the merits of the evidence and simply promotes an environment of indignation and disgust against anyone who questions the official story.

    He should be ostracized and exposed at all costs. There should be complaints to Face Book that he is using a false name and identity and his ID should be verified.

    Complaints should be lodged against his FB and youtube accounts- is it not ironic that both he and Lenny have not had their youtube accounts suspended ?

    Carry on to expose this lie at Sandy Hook

    1. I would like to know what does CW Wade and Mick West get out of protecting SHE and BMB perps at their own expense and time.

      Has anybody ever seen these 2 guys standing together in the same room? Just joking.. Cw West and Mick Wade…

  14. I need to also interject that I am amazed that some of the parents , Nicole Hockley and Mark Barden, have created a new profession now working as full time “Professional Victims”.

    1. I watched 2/3 of the video and someone took it off line last night. I know another distribution method. Make into DVD and sell the DVD on line right here and people will pay and they can show their friends.

      1. Or make it into a DVD and GIVE IT AWAY to anyone that wants to see it.

        So if anyone wants a copy of the Sandy Hook documentary, let me know and we can exchange emails so I can get a shipping address. Unless the request is from outside the US, I’ll burn and ship on my own dime (outside the US starts getting very, very pricey). The offer will remain open until further notice 🙂

        1. Not sure how to get my address to you. Would love to have this and certainly will pay for it to cover your costs. Thank you for the kind offer. My email address is archie the letter k the number 1 at prodigy do net

  15. The vid was good but way too long. If we want to get Sandy Hook to the masses, we need to spice it up with some Beyonce, violence, Peyton Manning, drugs, mixed messages, spin – all the stuff the masses are used to seeing. Folks don’t have 2.5 hours to watch a real investigative documentary. Its interesting to truthers because we already know most of the presentation but for the outsider, they won’t be interested. I think we need to give up on Sandy Hook and focus on 9/11 because we have much more evidence, data, witnesses and experts to support a ‘conspiracy theory.’

    1. But, it can be used in it’s shorter segments, one at a time, when a person finds one subject they find interesting. Then they go for the whole movie. I don’t think you can condense all the facts/questions down more than int the movie already. Lest it becomes a slogan.

    2. Bill Fred,
      I respectfully disagree with you on 911. That event is locked in titanium chains from the Capstone.

      I personally think Boston is the lowest hanging fruit because of all the solid video evidence. But Boston has been put on the back burner while so many hard working people are still working on SHE and I think they have them almost “cornered”.

      The time is now for a video just like “We Need to Talk” but about Boston and hit them from both sides and see who creeps out from the shadows as Pozner has for SHE.

      If and When either of those events falls apart and the roaches start running for cover and ratting each other out to save themselves, that is when 911 will fall apart and all the other staged events we have all seen these last 6 years play out.

      Just my opinion.

      1. ” The time is now for a video just like “We Need to Talk” but about Boston.”

        I spent most of my time on 9-11 but did spend a little time researching one aspect of Boston, i.e., the alleged 16 people who sustained traumatic leg amputations. Most people only knew about Jeff Bauman, the supposed bilateral amputee, but believe it or not, there are actually 16 people claimed to be so injured and millions in donations going to the “victims” and many fake social websites involved. I have identified, or should I say “identified”, about 12 of the people but gave up on that never ending rabbit hole area of research a few months ago.

        Anyway, I would be willing to share what I learned with anyone who attempts a Boston video. I wish Nathan Folks would do that video, but for various reasons I do not think that will happen.

        9-11, SHES, and Boston just seemed so incredibly in our faces and so full of anomalies that I just could not help being swept up in to reading and researching. I read and watched and listened to everything I could for many years, starting on 9-11-01, regarding 9-11. Now I am away from that somewhat.

        To me, the great thing about We Need to Talk About Sandy Hook video is that, aside from its careful and professional production and great segmental format, it covers the the subject in one video with solid quality information. The makers of the video have gone non-commercial and that is extremely important too.

        (P.S. I watched a recent OdinRock YouTube upload today regarding how ABC TV coverage on 12-14-12 showed many signs of being prepared before that event date. I should have save the link and now I cannot find that video on YouTube.)

        “and the light shines on in the darkness and darkness could not overcome it.” John 1:5

      2. I think SH is the event locked in titanium chains. Although they had some serious flaws, aint no way people are getting through.

        The list of architects, scientists, former politicians, lawyers, professors, etc. that don’t buy into the official 911 narrative is growing. NY recently had the failed ballot initiative to re-investigate building 7.

        Check Wikipedia’s page about world polling/opinions.

        You will see that only 46% of the world polling believes that Al Queda was responsible. This is very bad for the propaganda machine pushing the official story. In some countries, like Pakistan, only 2% think Al Queda did it!! YIKES!!

        9/11 is the ONLY way to get somewhere. OKC, Waco, JFK are too distant. Sandy Hook and Boston were so well marketed and so emotional that people won’t go there.

    3. Bill, thanks much for the levity. I laughed heartily, though I quickly sobered and understood your point.

      I think the video is a very good refresher for SH hoax vets, and will most likely send a good percentage of novices to examine the work of other independents.

      Exposure. Hope. Sandy Hook Hoaxers Strong!

    4. This is such bull. I commented to Bill 5 hours ago why I think we should stay the course and went in moderation from WordPress and didn’t save it.

      Tracy get your own website and this will stop

      1. Ric, Dr. Tracy has seemingly decided to moderate my comments too. I don’t know if he is moderating all comments, or just certain people. Maybe he moderates those that get a little too spicy, like mentioning Jews. I don’t mind Dr. Tracy moderating my comments as he almost always lets them through.

        1. Bill, I think it’s WordPress not Dr. Tracy who puts certain comments in moderation and then Dr. Tracy has to sort through them which can take a while. There doesn’t seem to any rhyme or reason as to why things wind up in the Mod. bin.

          Anyways, your point is well taken on 911.
          Everything seems to be locked up pretty good and that’s how they want us to feel, Despotic, Defeated.

          My reasoning on Boston and SHE is there are actual physical human beings that are somewhat approachable to squeeze until they break. Where as with 911 its all the same untouchable Lizard people(Icke joke)
          in the Capstone we have been after since JFK.

          This group of players (all the gun control people) seem more accessible because it appears that well known Corporations/Charities seem to have a hand in this as the beneficiaries, where as 911 was all top military brass and defense contractors who benefited.

      2. Ric to comment on your comment below. I don’t think SH is about guns. Maybe a small benefit, but not the big picture – probably more like Alex Jones type dis-information intended to keep us grabbing the short straws.

        I think all of these recent false flag hoaxes are more about pushing legislation and taking over more control of the federal government. I think the plans are being fast forwarded because the people are sick of the crap and seeing the truth behind 9/11.

        The internet is changing everything right now and people are changing their attitudes about our crooked government, media, military and corporations teaming up against the common folks. Five years ago I had no idea about the facts behind JFK, OKC, and now 9/11 as the major recent-history ‘inside jobs.’ Now its all so much in our faces and I can see them laughing at us through my tv screen.

        Without the internet, we would still be a bunch of brainwashed zombies following the crap we see on their tv, hear on their radio, or read in their magazines. The internet, Google and Youtube might be in the same category and as world-changing as Johannes Gutenberg’s printing press.

    5. I didn’t mind watching it at all – what you need is to have an AUDIENCE.

      Stop it every once in a while for questions and observations.

      Make a partty out of the whole thing – if people can sit through baseball games, when it’s a pitcher’s duel and everything is a slow as bloody molasses, one should be able to have fun with this and other like documentaries.

      We can’t win if we can’t think out of the box every once in a while.

    6. Thank you for the very pertinent reference to 9/11. I’ll add other essential attributes that distinguish 9/11 from virtually any other staged event:
      * 9/11 has been inducing deep, global, long-lasting sociological changes of variegated kinds, starting with war.
      * Building 7’s conspiracy offers several entry points that lend themselves to elevators speeches that affirm the mythical destruction by office fires while forcing people to explore it further.
      * The 9/11 conspiracy’s demonstration can be learned through only a moderate intellectual effort, thanks to the Master conspirators’ strategic decision to televise live to the entire world the key event, the terrorist controlled demolition of the twin towers under evacuation.
      * The above makes it fairly easy to demonstrate the existence, overwhelming size and effectiveness of the 9/11 censorship, the conspiracy against heretics who question the official myth.

      So, with all due respect to activists and leaders who seek to expose SHE or other real or alleged grand lies, they may reach their goals faster and with less energy if they table their work and instead research the poorly understood 9/11 censorship and seek more effective ways to educate the general public on it.


  16. Although homicidal false flags have been part of American rule and manipulation since the Kennedy assassinations, James has drawn attention to FANTASY homicidal false flags initiated in the Obama administration. Three of these are most important: first, the bin Laden caper where the pretense is the killing of bin Laden who has been reliably reported dead of kidney disease for a decade. This may include the killing of a dozen or so Seals who were involved in the operation. It was highly successful historically, bumping up Obama’s support by 6% or so, helping him the 2012 election.

    The second fantasy false flag was Sandy Hook, revealed largely by James, to disarm the American population of their guns. It was largely unsuccessful gun-wise, and US power is apparently trying to bury it now.

    The third fantasy false flag was the Boston marathon bombings, which was successful in shutting down part of Boston and surrounding towns. It was related in an unclear way to US support for the Cheznya rebellion in Russia, two of the Americans involved being murdered by the police and FBI, and others being prosecuted and imprisoned.

    These fantasy false flags are quite surreal and bizarre, even by American standards of media mendacity. Referring to evidenced real homicides as staged events, for ideological purposes, detracts from the credibility of reports revealing these fantasy homicidal events.

    1. “Referring to evidenced real homicides as staged events, for ideological purposes,

      “evidenced real homicides” maybe, but don’t you want this fully investigated and don’t you want important questions asked, like WHO for sure was homicided.

      I am beginning to think that every big media event that has thousands marching in the streets is a staged event. Somebody used it and promoted it “for ideological purposes” at just the most useful time. Yes, sometimes real people are really killed and sometimes not. But WHO exactly was killed by whom and when, we have no business just automatically accepting at face value what the MSM is feeding us.

      Of course, I want homicides justly adjudicated in a just trial, but these days, it is just as likely that some poor innocent patsy will be convicted if there ever even is a trial.

      I do not think Dr. Tracy and MHB are doing their work for “ideological purposes” unless the ideology is to get to the truth.

      1. Did anyone hear if Lanza is being put on trial? They do try dead people.

        I don’t think there were any criminal cases or convictions from 911 either, right?

    2. Can you please name some 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and 90’s false flag attacks please? Operation Northwoods was the original blueprint as far as documents from the feds in my opinion.

      The only way that SH is about guns is, say in 3-5 years from now, if their silly little games lead to such an outrageous public that the active controlled president calls for an executive order on guns and forces all Americans to turn in their weapons and we go Japan style where citizens are not allowed to arm.

      If the plan is a long drawn out plan to disarm Americans, then I don’t believe SH, or any of the other numerous recent false flag hoaxes are about guns. Its about 9/11. Its about controlling the federal government, passing legislation that furthers their powers, controlling our schools, showing their force to the public, keeping a constant fear status among the people, its another MSM spin story to run and rerun and rererun in our faces for months and years, and yes, its a little about guns but mostly to distract us.

      1. Last night I watched a movie set in Mississippi in the sixties. During a conversation one character says to another “We rich have to keep the poor in constant fear. That is how we keep our money”.

      2. Bill, we tend to use the terms “false flag” or “hoax” to describe what is actually a category of event. They actually vary in scope and complexity. Some are almost hidden, some are done to create public emotional reactions.

        I suppose the defining character of them is that they are not completely true. Some are totally false, while others have truthful elements in them that have manufactured bits imprinted on them for the author’s purposes.

        “Northwoods” is well known. You can rest assured that there are many others. Initially creation of this type of thing was why the CIA was created. “Dirty tricks”.

        My observations lead me to believe that there is NEVER one purpose for such events. There may be a primary purpose, but there are always ancillary purposes as well. It is not uncommon for what seems the “primary” purpose to be a ruse.

        It may be that the nature of the progress that’s been made is causing these to be more and more public in nature. They are at a point in their plan where it is necessary for standards to change and it is much easier to do that when a population supports them.

        It is obvious that gun confiscation is necessary for them. This has nothing to do with “crime” and everything to do with resistance. When they think the time is right they will simply come for them. It would be easier for them if people surrendered them.

        I personally think that SHES was more about “modeling” than gun control. I would say the same about Boston as well. That is one reason for the use of actors. They are there, just like Ozzie and Harriet to show what “good obedient NWO citizens do in situations such as these”. Obedience is rewarded, resistance gets the “Fergeson Treatment”.

        None of this is new. What is “new” is the technology and its use in the delivery. Secret, underhanded dealings have been going on in the United States since its inception. “Undercover” operations were going on during the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, and in all other periods of our history.

        We are in a period where they are “takin’ it to the streets”. We should never forget some of the wisdom expressed in “The Protocols”. Whether a “forgery” or not, it is impossible to argue with the methods described and their use.

        Remember that Kissinger recently reiterated a “protocol”. To paraphrase, he said that “there will come a time when you will beg us to take control”. They would very much like us to be so disgusted with “government” that we rebel and allow them to replace it with one of their own making. So you see, they can’t “fail”.

        The only mystery in this to me is why we keep going back to them and expecting them to “fix” a problem of their own creation. I suppose it is because we want so badly to believe that what we see is not true. Sadly, it is true. So why don’t we quit asking the mugger for a loan?

        “Gun control” will come, whether we agree or not. The only question is how we will respond when it does. If you think they are brutal now, wait until they think they have nothing to fear.

        1. The best definitions I’ve seen are as follows:

          False flag: a real-time event that occurs under false pretense (evidence-based facts demonstrate that some people actually died, property was damaged, etc.)

          Hoax: event where most of the story appears false and there is no evidence of any true harm (no evidence, that real people died, no real damage sustained)

      3. USS Liberty 1967 Not on US soil, but is false event

        Iran Contra Affair 1985 A false event

        1993 Waco, Brand Dividians, a false event

        1995 Oklahoma City Murrah Bldg. Bombing

        1996 Siege at Ruby Ridge, a false event

        1997 NeoCon Think Tank PNAC setsUS world hegemony stage /911

        All during these years there were mysterious deaths of people who knew too much about JFK assassination – read The Dead Witness by Roberts.
        Do search on “Bush Body Count” for all mysterious deaths connected with George W. Also search Clinton Body Count.

        There were at least 20 mysterious deaths associated with the aftermath of 9-11, and it is looking like there are at least two mysterious deaths with Sandy Hook so far.

        I count all these strange “disappearances” of people and imprisonments over the years as part of the one main big conspiracy in USA and the world.

        Manipulating people to get control of people has been going on for millennia. Nero burned Rome and blamed it on the Christians.

        All the wars the US has been involved in over last century are false contrived events.

        World false events are related to domestic false events. It really is one ‘grand chessboard.”

        There is one big conspiracy that may appear to have warring factions and it has been operating from the days of ancient Babylon, The goal is a one world death and slavery system for all. It is not so much that one group wants to be super rich and rule the world. That one group is nihilistic and megalomaniacal and wants only to lie, kill and destroy in worship of their Father, the Father of Lies.


        1. Whoa, dachsie, I differ on several of your false flags. The USS Liberty was basically not publicized in the U.S., bolstering the claim that it was real–I’ve never read that it wasn’t.

          Ditto with Iran Contra and Waco. As for Ruby Ridge, I could buy that.

          The Gulf of Tonkin incident, the bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941, and the sinking of the U.S.S. Maine in Havana in 1898 were probable false flags, all of which were the triggers for war.

        2. Doxie, I was trying (unsuccessfully) to address Bill’s comment. The term “false flag”, has a rather “loose” usage here and elsewhere. You listed several “events”. To me at least, “false flag” implies that something was engineered and was blamed on another country.

          “Hoax” (in the sense that we discuss here), isn’t usually blamed on other countries. It may be blamed on other perpetrators. In our context they are actions created by others for social or political gain.

          You left off Gordon Caul from the list. He predated Ruby Ridge. Same basic scenario. He was a perceived threat.

          I got the impression that Bill was saying this was a relatively new phenomena. I would say that it isn’t, but the scope of these are larger now due to the technology involved. These are older than Mesopotamia, it just wasn’t televised.

          What we’re seeing now is social engineering. They float an idea, create a need for change, and produce an excuse. That old Hegelian magic. We might do well to ask ourselves, “why do I need someone else to tell me what we need to do?”.

        3. I do not limit myself to “false flag” or “‘hoax” as may be defined here. I just call them false events. I recognize understanding meanings of words and terms and using them consistently, but I have simply stated that I look at all these Big Lie events broadly as “false events.”

          There are people at the top creating, covering up or allowing crime and evil of every kind. It is a giant blackmail, extortion and bribery grid. All go along with the evil because of fear.

          LBJ called the planes back that were sent to help the USS Liberty under fire. Why would he do that?

          Off topic
          but here is a good speech by

          John Pilger: War by Media and the Triumph of Propaganda

        4. Hmm; good question (about LBJ calling the planes back). I didn’t know that. I assume it was a political decision not to retaliate against Israel, but I’ll see what I can find out.

          I recently read a fantastic book, by the way, “LBJ: the Mastermind of the JFK Assassination,” by Philip Nelson. I had thought of LBJ as a pathetic boor. In fact, he was a criminal and a sociopath. He had a personal hit man, a convicted murderer named Mac Wallace who carried out 17 murders in LBJ’s behalf, including (probably) of LBJ’s own sister. All kinds of people delivered suitcases full of cash to him, payoffs for various favors. LBJ was headed to prison, with a big expose planned for publication in Look Magazine on Nov. 22, 1963–which was pulled, and charges against him dropped, when the assassination happened, because he was now the president.

          Nelson makes a very strong case that LBJ planned the JFK assassination long before the 1960 election, knowing the only way he would ever become president would be as a vice-president succeeding a president who died in office. In the motorcade in Dallas, LBJ ducked down on the floor right after his car turned onto Houston St. There’s lots more, but it definitely muddies the waters vis-a-vis current acceptance of the theory that CIA were the top dogs–but I won’t spoil it for you all.

        5. The USS Liberty was a false flag in the true sense of the term. Johnson employed the services of Israel to sink an American ship in the eastern Mediterranean, but it was supposed to look like Egypt did it. Israel’s planes were unmarked, and its pilots were given very little information; the reason the ship did not go down was because some of the Israelis, when they realized what the target was, refused, and disobeyed orders.

          Johnson was enraged, shouting “I wand that God damned ship at the bottom of the Sea!” But it was able to limp to Cyprus, and the survivors were made to know that if they ever talked about it they would be killed, and their families, too. Some of them have been talking in recent years, and it’s clear they do not understand that Israel was just a “hit man” hired by the American president; they blame Israel for almost murdering them–and who can blame them? Still, I doubt Israel could have refused, in its weak condition in those years; without America’s patronage, it would certainly not have survived the 70s.

          The false flag failed; the Soviet Union remained Egypt’s patron for the time being, and America was not drawn into war.

        6. Thanks, Patrick. Very interesting history. LBJ was a psychopath.

          We were not drawn into a war *against Israel*, I guess is what you mean. We were certainly up to our necks in an outrageously unjustified war elsewhere, of course, in Vietnam, LBJ’s gift to his benefactors General Dynamics, Brown & Root, Bell Helicopter, and probably others. General Dynamics is Mafia. It continues to drive all our warmongering adventures around the world today (as I see it).

          I did know that the commanding officer of the Liberty had ordered a counterattack on Israel, and that his order was countermanded by Washington. You know, I trust, that that admiral was the father of Jim Morrison (of The Doors)? There’s a theory out there that Jim Morrison was assassinated by the Mossad in retaliation for his father’s order.

          Back to Sandy Hook, the NYT has a piece today about the disposition of the blighted property on Yogananda St.:

        7. “one of greatest unknown chapters in LBJ’s presidency is that he personally gave the order to Israel to bomb and utterly destroy the USS Liberty and its entire crew of 294 Americans. Astoundingly, when the mission went awry and Sixth Fleet Commanders were ordering the rescue of the besieged and bloodied USS Liberty crew, LBJ ordered that rescue operations be called back, at least twice. Against all odds, the USS Liberty survived but after the attack, 34 Americans lay dead. Except for 4 worthless 50 caliber machine guns, the USS Liberty was unarmed and defenseless against the far superior firing power of the Israeli navel and air force armada that descended upon it with relentless and unspeakable terror.”


        8. A little more on LBJ’s background, especially in regard to his long supportive relationship with the Jews and with Israel.

          Our First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson? – an update!!

          article by by Morris Smith

          And maybe his personal ancestry is totally irrelevant and maybe not…

          “The facts indicate that both of Lyndon Johnson’s great-grandparents, on the maternal side, were Jewish.
          These were the grandparents of Lyndon’s mother, Rebecca Baines. Their names were John S. Huffman and Mary Elizabeth Perrin. John Huffman’s mother was Suzanne Ament, a common Jewish name. Perrin is also a common Jewish name. ,,,

          The line of Jewish mothers can be traced back three generations in Lyndon Johnson’s family tree. There is little doubt that he was Jewish.”

        9. “We were not drawn into a war *against Israel*, I guess is what you mean.”

          Not at all, dino. Israel was our agent, not our enemy. They did not attack us, we hired them to get us into the war that was already underway; the idea was to reshape the Middle East–especially to end Soviet influence in the region. It was about establishing American hegemony. Israel was always our anchor in that part of the world; we were never adversaries. Israel was only two decades away from its declaration of independence against the British Mandate at the time, and still quite weak, with American support, almost half a century later, it today serves the American empire in many false flags that are far less crude–as many commenters at MHB have alluded to over time. Israel was an invaluable help to the globalists in 9/11 and Boston, for instance. A great investment–if you want a partner in conquering the world. Innovative, Western, and willing to absorb bad publicity hits all the time, sort of running interference for America’s bumbling giantism.

          You must consider the time frame. Here’s a quick summary from everyone’s favorite authority:

          “The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War. Wikipedia

          The idea was to draw America into that war. It is only because individual Israeli military personnel defied their orders that the false flag failed, and we did not go to war against Egypt.

        10. Heck, *I* am the one who has said I believe Israel acts as the U.S.’s agent!

          I just misunderstood what you meant, by saying we were not drawn into war.

          Dachsielady’s and your information about LBJ’s order is absolutely chilling and horrifying. I did not know that he had actually ordered Israel to attack our ship. I knew only that he refused to retaliate against Israel when it happened and countermanded Admiral Morrison’s order.

        11. I think, as Patrick says, that LBJ withdrew the assistance that was on its way to the USS Liberty. In other words, he allowed Israel to try and sink a U.S. ship and murder the crew to facilitate a false flag by Israel.

          Ironically, it was Adm. McCain (yes, the senator’s father) who briefed the survivors and swore them to secrecy. Psychopathy looms large in some circles.

          All of these years the survivors have been trying to get this recognized. Everyone in power ignores them. I have to say that I don’t believe that Israel is “our” agent, I think it’s the other way round.

          Everyone of these mutts is beholden to them. If they aren’t bribed they’re blackmailed, sometimes both. It’s an outrage.

        12. “he allowed Israel to try and sink a U.S. ship and murder the crew to facilitate a false flag by Israel. ”

          Yes, and I offered a strong explanation as to why LBJ would commit such an heinous act, murdering his own country’s troops. This forum censored my two postings and they never made it to posting though I am unaware of any rules broken by me.


        13. lophatt, you wrote:

          “I don’t believe that Israel is “our” agent, I think it’s the other way round.”

          You are right; it is the other way around.

          Don’t know if this comment will pass censorship, but I have found some more revealing information between the town in Venezuela, its mayor, Newtown with the main players and the boss our country serves as agent for.

          The young, globalist mayor is on a list of the most influential – fill in the blank – in Latin America.

        14. Yes Anne, I read your link. I don’t know what’s going on with the “moderation” either. Almost all of mine are getting that lately. As you well know it is impossible to discuss certain subjects without alluding to the obvious authors of chaos.

          Why our comments disappeared as a group is strange indeed. Obviously somebody didn’t like them. Of all the things we were discussing those seemed pretty innocuous.

          When you start down a path you follow it. If it leads somewhere uncomfortable for some you either have to be dishonest and ignore it, or say what needs to be said.

          After all, those tactics only work because people cower in the face of them. We both know that Latin America is not immune either. In fact, if you’ve been reading much lately you will notice a whole new understanding of what is really going on in Ukraine. It’s rather like Venezuela.

        15. “I don’t believe that Israel is “our” agent, I think it’s the other way round.”

          It depends on what the meaning of “is” is, to quote everyone’s favorite bubba. In 1967, Israel was extremely new, and very weak. The globalists plans for Israel’s role in the New World Order would not come to fruition. Anyone who thinks Israel cooked up a scheme to sink its patron’s ship out of malice is delusional. Israel needed America desperately at that time. Johnson used its client to create a Remember the Maine excuse for us to go to war in Egypt as a proxy for the Soviet Union.

          What Israel is today is quite different.

        16. Patrick, to “tippytoe around this”, let’s call it “Fred”. Fred is a state of mind. Just like “America” is a state of mind. There are no countries left in the traditional sense.

          At the moment, Fred is “the Center of the Universe” for control and corruption. Even evil needs a headquarters. In the mega-corporation that we live in, it is where the CEO and CFO operate from. The rest are, at most, division heads.

          So we can always discuss things within the context of commonly accepted reality, or we can do that based on the obvious. For now Fred calls the shots. While their bought and bribed minions go about their tasks Fred collectively laughs at them.

          Fred has been working toward this denouement for a very long time. It makes little difference whether anyone realizes this or not. Fred will continue, as always. As we weaken Fred grows strong.

        17. This argument perplexes me, lophatt. Were we Israel’s agent the day after Israel secured her independence from Britain? Was that pathetic weakling of a nothing country already our master? Or did they become our overlords five years after the Kibbutzes were up and running? 10 years?

          As I said, whatever the globalists had in store for Israel’s role in crafting the New World Order, it had certainly not come to fruition by the mid-1960s. What Israel has become since then bears no resemblance to what they were in 1967. Even 1973, when Nixon, against all his advisors’ council, rescued Israel be forcing the shipment of arms, saving the day. Israel NEEDED America, desperately, in those early decades of its existence. The idea that they would launch a senseless attack on their primary benefactor is ridiculous. Whatever future role Israel was intended to have, they were far from holding that position when the Liberty was attacked.

          Top of that, we know that Johnson ordered Israel to sink that ship, and was very angry when Israel failed to get the job done. And it being such a world-class false flag, the plot thus had to be covered up–and was, perfectly, until very recently. It is the equivalent in seriousness of 9/11, in terms of identifying the real motivation, and the people who were really behind it. In the case of the Liberty, if it had gone according to plan, the whole world would be instantly made to know that Egypt did it, and thus America has to go to war, and history would not record the suspicions of people who smelled something fishy. With 9/11, which was successful, it was Arabs the whole world were instantly made to know had attacked America, justifying the same kind of war, in the very same region. The difference is the success factor: since the World Trade Center was successfully destroyed, the agents who were hired to do the job are not part of the official history–because the false flag was a success. Those who smell a rat are dealt with by the “conspiracy theorist” dismissal process. Since the Liberty survived, and the plot could not be allowed to saturate the news but in fact had to be completely suppressed, ironically, over time everyone knows who really did it. Very few know it was a false flag; all people who learn about it tend to learn is that Israel inexplicably attacked the American military. Some hate Israel for it, because they know who the hit man was; some shake their heads and wonder why Israel took such an insane action. But no one knows that Israel was just the hit man, and the mafioso who ordered the hit lived at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Mordor.

        18. Ha! Mordor, indeed.

          Good post.

          I found this site about the Six-Day War, wondering whether it was Nasser’s closure of the Suez Canal (again) which prompted LBJ’s need to attack Egypt–and it does not even mention the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty. (And I could not find any immediate connection to the Suez–looks like Egypt did block Israel’s shipping routes through the Straits of Tiran, though. I’m still trying to pin down where that is–I am only pulling up dive site maps!)

        19. Patrick, you have certainly given me a more complete understanding of the USS Liberty incident.

          I remember listening to the medical doctor who survived the attack being interviewed on a radio show several years ago. He spoke of it only as Israel having been the perpetrator but he did say clearly that Johnson called the planes back. This doctor was with a group collecting signatures to get the Congress to open an investigation of the incident, which of course never happened. Admiral Thomas Moorer, now deceased, of the Joint Chiefs of Staff spoke out valiantly to try to get truth and justice about the event .

          I think LBJ from his very beginnings in politics way back when in Texas was taking several political steps and big chances to help Jews in Europe and help Israel. I do not think his Jewish ancestry is irrelevant.

        20. Patrick, this is the best primer there is:

          The place is just that, a place. The perceived “weakness” is a ruse. “We” (the U.S.) don’t control anything. We are the execution arm (literally).

          Location or “nationhood” has never meant anything to them. It is misdirection.

        21. Yes, Lophatt, I think there might be a mistake to think about these things in terms of nation states. In the higher echelons there are no nations, there are important persons/groups/families and the rest are just peasants. These people in power have no allegiance to any state, they merely use nations, nationalities, religions and ethnicities to reek havoc, to destroy and gain. I think it’s a mistake in history as well as in current affairs to think in terms of nation states. It’s a useful illusion that can be used against ut.

          Us pays foreign aid to said country. Said country use the money by lobbying individual congressmen to work for the interests of said country, not for the interest of the US. Not only money works like this. There’s blackmail (all the spying is good for something), incrimination, sting operations, planting of evidence, you name it. If you only manage to have a system where you get to the key persons in a large country, that large country can be totally governed by a small group of people from a small country, or before that, by a small clique of a nationless people. And it’s even better when the great majority of the same ethnicity are totally innocent of these schemes, and only left to take the blame. Brilliant system. Reminds me of the 30’s.

        22. Oh. It’s the Joooowzzz. I get it now. No matter how weak they are, they rule the world, and no matter how dependent they are, they are really the masters of those they seemingly depend on. Got it. Israel was America’s master even before it existed. I understand. Not.

        23. Oh. It’s the Joooowzzz. I get it now. No matter how weak they are, they rule the world, and no matter how dependent they are, they are really the masters of those they seemingly depend on. Got it. Israel was America’s master even before it existed. I understand. Not.”

          Straw man!

          You understand not. You got that right, patrickchatsunamiably!

        24. Dach, I have no idea what you’re talking about when you say the words “Straw man!’ I was perhaps not clear that I was replying to the link lophatt posted.

          lophatt originally argued that Israel was America’s master in 1967, and is today. I replied that whatever Israel is today, it certainly was America’s CLIENT in the 1960s. I wrote another comment to make my case in more detail. Then lophatt provided a link which I interpreted to mean that he meant that Israel is a mystical thing, that the nationstate with that name is irrelevant and that my fixation on the political history is missing the point. I do not agree, and I replied sarcastically. Perhaps I should try harder to suppress my sarcastic impulse, lest I be misunderstood.

          I happen to hold the view that Israel is merely a tool on the globalists’ hands today, and do not believe that globalism and the looming New World Order is an exclusively “Jewish” conspiracy. I agree with Stan Monteith, in his lecture comparing it to Agatha Christy’s Murder on the Orient Express ( there are too many clues. Some people say it’s the Jesuits, some say it’s the Vatican, some say it’s the Masons, etc. A good case can be made for ALL of these views–as long as you leave out the evidence pointing to all the rest. I’m with Stan: there is a Brotherhood of Darkness behind all these conspiratorial efforts. Focussing on one to the exclusion of the others will only lead you away from the true source of the evil we are confronting. And that’s anything BUT a straw man.

        25. Pat, don’t forget the attack on the British.

          The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out on Monday July 22, 1946 by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization, the Irgun, on the British military.housed in the southern wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. 91 people were killed and 46 were injured.

          The Irgun committed the attack in response to Operation Agatha, known in Israel as “Black Saturday”. British troops had searched the Jewish Agency on June 29 and confiscated large quantities of documents which contained incriminating information about the Agency’s involvement with violent acts.

          The intelligence information was taken to the King David Hotel, where it was initially kept in the offices of the Secretariat in the southern wing.
          In order to destroy the documentation, the Irgun therefore determined to destroy that wing of the hotel.

          The Irgun planted a bomb in the basement of the main building of the hotel, whose southern wing housed the Mandate Secretariat and a few offices of the British military headquarters.

        26. Quite right, Ric. But it’s far worse than that, though. There is, after all, the Transfer Agreement, which was a deal that should be known to history as one of the most evil ever made. The new country was born in ignominy, no question. I am no apologist for evil.

          All I am saying to lophatt is that Israel, as a state, wasn’t in a position to boss anyone around in its early decades, much less attack one of its few powerful supporters. But I don’t think anything I have written can be construed to indicate that I run interference for that crew. Maybe it’s just a sensitive topic, and undercurrents can’t be avoided, and people read in stuff. I can’t control that.

          Those who have been around here a long time probably notice that I avoid commenting on this general subject. It is deep, and fraught, and too nettled to treat in short form. At least, in my view. Only gets you in trouble you can’t sort out later, because everyone has an unchangeable opinion. Not my cup of tea.

        27. In replay to
          patrickchatsamiably says:
          December 18, 2014 at 7:02 am

          I guess I thought your comment to Lophat was for me.

          I think that you have a unique take on USS liberty and I think it is good for me to consider all ideas. I cannot say for sure that I agree with how very weak Israel was in the 60s. The establishment of the nationa state of Israel always have Rothschild money backing as well as the backing of the international banking community. JFK thought it important to ban Israel from having nuclear weapons so he must have considered Israel a formidably player even then.

          It is probably best to avoid theJewish issue in MHB but I really do not see how we can pursue full truth and fully and openly discuss anything when we do not look at that issue. We have to examine WHO are “the globalists”, why really make up “the Zionists” and who really are “the Jews.” Unfortunately this subject cannot be fully and openly discussed without everyone getting in arguments and getting way off the Sandy Hook event or the subject of the article. But you always have to have thread drift if you want a open and relevant conversation.

          Of course there are limits but I think as a Christian that I must search for truth and I have to search for a way to understand the involvement of the people of the Jewish revolutionary spirit.

          I was influenced by E. Michael Jones, Ph.D. book, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History.

          I always have read and been influenced by the books of William Guy Carr.

          I believe Freemasonry comes straight from the Cabbalism and Cabbalism was born in “Judaism” and is from the Babylon mystery religions. The relationship between “Judaism” and Freemasonry simply cannot be ignored. I know why Freemasonry is anti-Christ ideology is seriously wrong but even the Church, who has always condemned Freemasonry, has not explained fully enough the connection to Cabbalism. I guess Texe Marrs has done that most fully.

          Yes, there are many secret societies and as JFK we Americans find secret societies repugnant. We know where there is great darkness, there is great evil. There is the all-seeing eye.

          Yes, at the top of the pyramid, it is the Brotherhood of Darkness, but the “Jews” and “Israel” are pawns very near the top of the pyramid with the international bankers. We cannot just skip over that major area of truth and just completely avoid the subject altogether, using other terms like “Zionists”, globalists, or the “global elite.” That is not what Christ would have us do.

          Whenever you start searching for truth about the conspiracy for a New World Order, a one world death and slavery system for all, you, as Dr. Jones has explained, you observe a dark revolutionary spirit and you cannot avoid the words in the bible about the “synagog of Satan.” Those who self-identify as “Jews” have a solidarity. They hold a different set of values. They have money, not all or most have it, but those few at the top do have incredible disproportionate great wealth. And they get to make the decisions based on their values and their goal is a one world government.

          Dr. Stan taught me a lot, but I do not believe he ever acknowledged the role of “the Judaics”, to use Michael Hoffman’s term.

          One thing I know for sure, whenever you start examining and searching for truth about false flag events and hoaxes, and generally “false events” as I call them, you end up in Satanism or Luciferianism.

          Sister Lucy, a visionary of Fatima apparition, said the world is in a “diabolical disorientation” and that is true. I cling to truth because I cling to the One Who is Truth.

        28. Who are the “banksters”? Who are the “Globalists”? Who has a credo that only reaches fulfillment when others are destroyed?

          Read Reed (at my link). It isn’t perfect but its as close as anyone’s come to explaining it.

          I don’t have any sacred cows. I didn’t set out to blame someone. It is what it is.

          I’m speechless over the suggestion of them being “weak”. No one group on earth has more power and influence, no one. All those other convenient frontmen dance to their tune.

          I didn’t make it this way, I just report what I see. I could pretend that I didn’t see it, but I do. I wish it were the Samoans, it would be much simpler. Unfortunately, it isn’t.

        29. The echelon of global power is in the hands of very few who’ve manipulated and orchestrated events for eons. Due to their stolen wealth, cunning nature and inhumane traits they have managed to dupe peoples of all nations and all religions. I do not believe they have the same human DNA as we do.

          Some are willing dupes and others are ignorant of the roles they’re given. However, without dupes the echelon of global power could not maintain their position.

          The Balfour Declaration is important in this discussion:

          I agree with lophatt, read Douglas Reed who was vilified for his writings. Danish researcher Knud Eriksen wrote this biography of Douglas Reed:

        30. “I’m speechless over the suggestion of them being “weak”. No one group on earth has more power and influence, no one.”

          I suggested no such thing, lophatt. I offered the entirely accurate observation that the tiny, new, country Israel was very weak in the 1960s, and in fact would have lost the 1973 war and be wiped off the map if Nixon did not override the federal government’s insistence that Israel not be rearmed at the last minute. This is a matter of fact and history. Israel had to be built up over time. It is not weak today–and I never suggested it is. I said, in fact, it all depends on what the definition of “is” is: if “is” refers to 1967, Israel “is” weak. If “is” means today, Israel is very, very strong.

          I also made clear that the plot to create a tyrannical world government has a key role for Israel. But that plot is far older. It goes back far earlier even than 1879, when the land began to be resettled (land was ruled by the Ottoman Turks in those days, and after WWI by the British; when Israel declared independence in 1949, it was very weak indeed). Some track the plot back to the time of Napoleon, but I’d take it back to the Knights Templar.

          My argument has nothing to do with the strength of the people group that Israel was created to represent, or those peoples’ relative strength on in international affairs (I never even hinted what I think about that issue, in fact). It is about the process of building up the military strength of a new country, and the strategic choices involved in doing it. Israel’s military NEEDED America to get that done. Israel had no arms industry when it declared independence from Britain. No submarines. No nukes. Two decades later, Israel was equipped to fight wars, but their wins against the Arabs were always considered miraculous by military historians.

          The point is not that banking families were going to ensure that Israel’s political and economic future would be financed. The point is that for Israel’s pathetic little military to attack the most powerful navy in the world in 1967 would be utterly insane, because it is America that was going to ensure that Israel’s MILITARY future would be what it became.

          I don’t know when the plotters determined to re-create national Israel, whether the idea started before 1879, or if it started to seem like a good idea after WWI. I know that the plotters are adaptable. I think that, in fact, is why they have Bilderberg meetings–to coordinate strategy in response to new developments. But one thing is absolutely certain in my mind: they knew that the new country could not become strong enough to defend itself militarily except by friendship with America.

          That is, things like nation-building, from scratch, take time.

        31. lophatt, I have a reply in moderation, but meanwhile, as we wait, I’d like to say to Anne that the link you provide is quite excellent. I just read a few of the history articles–which are mercifully brief–and they are completely accurate. I’d recommend them to anyone who has not studied that stuff. Thanks.

        32. Patrick, I apologize if I misunderstood what you were saying. I know you to be an exceptionally bright guy and you are seldom, if ever, off the mark.

          I encourage you to finish reading Reed. It isn’t a long or difficult undertaking. It isn’t 100% “accurate” (in my opinion), but it is very close. I have probably read it a dozen times. I have much more on the subject but this is the best overview and he does an excellent job of tying it all together. Remember, this was written in the 1950’s.

          Pay particular attention to the early chapters. Once a person comes to understand that things we take for granted aren’t entirely as advertised, the rest becomes obvious.

          Regarding Israel, the country, I meant to say that it is not important. It is a ruse. It is a keystone ruse in terms of how a population is controlled and guided, but it really means nothing to those in positions of control. It is all in the mind.

          That is why I say they are anything but weak. They are, and have been, in the catbirds seat since the beginning. All those royal families and banker bloodlines are merely high-level cattle. They hitched their stars to a machine that was set in motion long ago and they hope to milk it for everything its worth on the way.

          Sorry for the misunderstanding.

        33. All good, lophatt.

          It’s just weird that my remarks about the specifics of a military attack end up in a conversation so far removed from those details. Even you, now, after many back-and-forths, don’t wish to pay attention to those details.

          As for me, I shall continue to hold the two issues separate. I think it is very important, in fact, because the Liberty incident is an excellent window into the true nature of the American government. Whatever the true nature of the conspiracy to enslave us all, the practical reality of what the United States has become seems to me very important. And the president’s ordering the sinking of an American ship seems to me at least as important as the agent he used–no matter how deeply connected that agent is. You might not agree, and that’s fine with me. But most people have no idea that Johnson ordered the sinking of the ship; all they know is that Israel did the attacking. Johnson is the villain in this event, not Israel–whatever Israel represents in the bigger picture.

  17. I managed to find the video on Daily Motion (not sure if it is still there) the other day by doing a search on its title. My Internet connection is slow, so it was rather a chore to attempt to watch it due to its length. As someone who has watched many SH vids, the only new info I derived from the long vid was the apparent activity going on in the house next door to the alleged Lanza house. Good work, though – very professional looking.

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