Measles/MMR Vaccine Can Cause Diabetes, Arthritis, Death

David Dees,

Is the “Cure” Worse Than the Disease?

By James F. Tracy

As the “debate” ensues throughout the US concerning the recent measles outbreak among vaccinated children, some journalists and commentators are even suggesting that children be vaccinated against their parents’ will, or that parents reluctant to vaccinate their children be imprisoned.

A careful look at the research pharmaceutical companies are legally compelled to provide with vaccines may give parents pause. According to the insert accompanying the 2014 version of Merck Inc.’s Measles Mumps Rubella (MMR II) vaccine, the live viruses are “propagated in chick embryo cell culture” and “WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts.” (See full listing of vaccine inserts.)

Seldom do medical practitioners explain in sufficient detail the potential side effects of vaccines to parents, thus violating the simple and straightforward policy of informed consent. Nor do they remind parents that vaccine manufacturers have immunity from civil action in the event their infant or child is injured or killed from the vaccine.

Merck’s own research states that its MMR vaccine can cause the following: diabetes, vasculitis, pancreatitis, thrombocytopenia (inability for blood to clot), angioneurotic edema (non-inflammatory swelling of the skin), pneumonia, bronchial spasm, arthritis, optic neuritis (inflammation of the optic nerve), Guillain-Barré Syndrome, and death.

Merck’s MMR vaccine may also cancer and impact the child’s fertility in later years. “M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility,” the vaccine’s insert reads. Limited research exists for most vaccines because longitudinal studies of vaccine recipients are difficult and costly to carry out.

Like most Americans conditioned for several decades now to distrust their own reasoning, those who become parents are similarly inclined to defer to scientific and institutional authority to make the decision to vaccinate their children. However, if mom and dad were thoroughly apprised of the potential for such side effects most would likely be far more tentative toward the administration of such foreign substances.

In fact, as is the case with many pharmaceutical products, in the broader scheme of things the symptoms of the illness may be preferable to the alleged “cure.”

According to the Centers for Disease Control, measles begins with high fever, cough, runny nose (coryza), and red, watery eyes (conjunctivitis). “Two or three days after symptoms begin,” the CDC notes, “tiny white spots (Koplik spots) may appear inside the mouth.” A few days after symptoms are observed

a rash breaks out. It usually begins as flat red spots that appear on the face at the hairline and spread downward to the neck, trunk, arms, legs, and feet. Small raised bumps may also appear on top of the flat red spots. The spots may become joined together as they spread from the head to the rest of the body. When the rash appears, a person’s fever may spike to more than 104° Fahrenheit.

After a few days, the fever subsides and the rash fades.

Following this ordeal the individual’s fully operational immune system will have had the opportunity to produce a formidable lifelong measles defense.

For comparative purposes below is a full description of the Merck’s MMR II vaccine’s potential side effects and consequences as described on its insert.


The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality, within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:

Body as a Whole
Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.

Cardiovascular System

Digestive System
Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea.

Endocrine System
Diabetes mellitus.

Hemic and Lymphatic System
Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS, Thrombocytopenia); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy; leukocytosis.

Immune System
Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or without an allergic history.

Musculoskeletal System
Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia. Arthralgia and/or arthritis (usually transient and rarely chronic), and polyneuritis are features of infection with wild-type rubella and vary in frequency and severity with age and sex, being greatest in adult females and least in prepubertal children. This type of involvement as well as myalgia and paresthesia, have also been reported following administration of MERUVAX II.
Chronic arthritis has been associated with wild-type rubella infection and has been related to persistent virus and/or viral antigen isolated from body tissues. Only rarely have vaccine recipients developed chronic joint symptoms.
Following vaccination in children, reactions in join ts are uncommon and generally of brief duration. In women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children (children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%), {17,56,57} and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer duration. Symptoms may persist for a matter of months or on rare occasions for years. In adolescent girls, the reactions appear to be intermediate in
incidence between those seen in children and in adult women. Even in women older than 35 years, these reactions are generally well tolerated and rarelyinterfere with normal activities.

Nervous System
Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacutesclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS); acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM); transverse myelitis; febrile convulsions; afebrile convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia. Experience from more than 80 million doses of all live measles vaccines given in the U.S. through 1975 indicates that significant central nervous system reactions such as encephalitis and encephalopathy, occurring within 30 days after vaccination, have been temporally associated with measles vaccine very rarely.{58} In no case has it been shown that reactions were actually caused by vaccine. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has pointed out that “a certain number of cases of encephalitis may be expected to occur in a large childhood population in a defined period of time even when no vaccines are administered”. However, the data suggest the possibility that some of these cases may have been caused by measles vaccines. The risk of such serious neurological disorders following live measles virus vaccine administration remains far less than that for encephalitis and encephalopathy with wild-type measles (one per two thousand reported cases).
Post-marketing surveillance of the more than 200 million doses of M-M-R and M-M-R II that have been distributed worldwide over 25 years (1971 to 1996) indicates that serious adverse events such as encephalitis and encephalopathy continue to be rarely reported.{17} There have been reports of subacute sclerosing panenc ephalitis (SSPE) in children who did not have a history of infection with wild-type measles but did receive measles vaccine. Some of these cases may have resulted from unrecognized measles in the first year of life or possibly from the measles vaccination.
Based on estimated nationwide measles vaccine distribution, the association of SSPE cases to measles vaccination is about one case per million vaccine doses distributed. This is far less than the association with infection with wild-type measles, 6-22 cases of SSPE per million cases of measles. The results of a retrospective case-controlled study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggest that the overall effect of measles vaccine has been to protect against SSPE by preventing measles with its inherent higher risk of SSPE.{59}
Cases of aseptic meningitis have been reported to VAERS following measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. Although a causal relationship between the Urabe strain of mumps vaccine and aseptic meningitis has been shown, there is no evidence to link Jeryl Lynn™ mumps vaccine to aseptic meningitis.

Respiratory System
Pneumonia; pneumonitis (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); sore throat; cough; rhinitis.

Stevens-Johnson syndrome; erythema multiforme; urticaria; rash; measles-like rash; pruritis. Local reactions including burning/stinging at injection site; wheal and flare; redness (erythema); swelling; induration; tenderness;
vesiculation at injection site.

Special Senses — Ear Nerve
deafness; otitis media.

Special Senses — Eye
Retinitis; optic neuritis; papillitis; retrobulbar neuritis; conjunctivitis.

Urogenital System
Epididymitis; orchitis.

Death from various, and in some cases unknown, causes has been reported rarely following vaccination with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines; however, a causal relationship has not been established in healthy individuals (see CONTRAINDICATIONS).

96 thoughts on “Measles/MMR Vaccine Can Cause Diabetes, Arthritis, Death”

  1. “Americans conditioned for several decades now to distrust their own reasoning, those who become parents are similarly inclined to defer to scientific and institutional authority to make the decision to vaccinate their children.”

    True, but permit me a little elaboration.

    As far as being conditioned to distrust their own reasoning, I think many parents objectively realize that their own reasoning abilities are not good and that their education was sub-standard and that it is probably best to not “trust” their own reasoning and they realize they most likely do not even know the right questions to ask.

    If you are a person who from an earliest age always questions authority when things do not make sense, you will soon learn the hard way how vexatious your questions are to your parents and to institutional authorities.

    The medical “the doctor is god” institutional authority thing is a very big factor, and the term “institutional authority” is too much of an understatement. Closely related to this “the doctor is god” meme is that “I am a bad parent who wants to kill my child” idea if I do not submit and comply immediately without question.

    Also the “police” and “legal” mentality of the medical milieu these days, makes parents hesitant to even ask questions because they do not really know their rights and do not want to get their child locked out of medical care or locked out of school.

    “if mom and dad were thoroughly apprised of the potential for such side effects most would likely be far more tentative toward the administration of such foreign substances.”

    True, but to an even lesser extent, and please permit me a little elaboration.

    The vaccine issue used to be one of my many “causes” that I investigated and called in to radio and TV shows and marched and posted comments about. I listened to Dr. Russell Blaylock for many years on Dr. Stan Monteith’s shows and did transcripts of those shows for Dr. Stan.
    I called our state health department headquarters and got the full info on how a parent can opt out of vaccines.

    My experience is that there are 3 rough classifications of parents.

    1. Upper class wealthy parents who know the truth about vaccines and have ways of not having to make their child get the “legally” mandated vaccines. They maintain control as a parent on what if any vaccine their child gets. Their money makes this possible.

    2. .Lower-upper class, and upper-middle class parents, or what a sociology major would call the “upwardly mobile”, who are informed and educated and have resources to obtain good medical care. These people want to maintain their cushy socio-economic status and don’t want to make waves of any kind so they quietly comply. Often these people are called “yuppies” or “trendy” or “politically correct.”

    3. I always wanted to call in to local public access TV shows to help, inform and educate some of these lower income, or welfare recipient parents about their rights to take control of what if any vaccines their child gets. These parents, if there are two parents and this is increasingly a minority, are often both working and just trying to make ends meet. (I include all working class one-parent households here.) There is a lack of community and social support system for these parents from family, church or community. And all of this is magnified in large urban centers.

    These are the poor nuclear families. They are doing all they can to get their child re-enrolled for school each year and arrange transportation and after school child care logistics. These people, no matter how much you inform them of the possible health risks to their child, really cannot be bothered with that information and really just don’t want to hear about it because they have to do what they have to do to get their child in school and being able to keep the family and home operating and keeping their job.

    There is a good radio show on Sunday afternoons called the Vaccone Myth, I think, with Sean Seigel as the host. Excellent exposure of all the questions we should be asking. Sean says its is a “matter of trust” of your doctor and the medical community. The trust is no longer there for people who have looked into the vaccine issue even just a little.

    I can tell you from personal experience that if you are undergoing medical diagnostic examinations and you want to be kept in the know about what the plan is, what the tests are and are for, and what are the chances for cure or substantial help and what are the risks and side effects, you almost always really are not wanted as a patient and will be slyly passively aggressively be “abandoned” as a patient.

    The clear game plan NOW is for government mandatory inoculations. It is good that this big “debate” is going on now, but I can tell you that even this “debate” is being manipulated and infiltrated to a large extent and we should be very careful when we are given an “either or” proposition regarding vaccines.

    1. “The medical ‘the doctor is god’ institutional authority thing is a very big factor …”

      This is also something elaborated on by Jon Rappoport. Medicine has in many ways become a secular religion, with science as god and the doctors his/her representatives in material form. Drugs are distributed as the sacrament, and so on. Before the transformation in pharmaceuticals in the 1940s-50s, which included vaccines, placebos were among the most common “drugs” distributed by physicians.

      1. Yes, absolutely. In addition, both by disposition and coercion, doctors are prone to treat their patients in the most currently accepted fashion. The “fashion” is largely set by the pharmaceutical industry.

        Most are “risk averse” to the point of paranoia, and the safest thing to do is to follow whatever the current convention says is appropriate. Few, if any, actually think the symptoms through or seek to cure anything. They simply react to whatever the patient presents with.

        As an example, measles are not normally fatal. Most people in my youth got them at one point or another. About the most in the way of vaccinations were two or three in a lifetime. My reading over time has not shown their effectiveness.

        The risks, on the other hand, are great. I do not believe for one minute that any of this has to do with concern for the public’s health. it has to do with concern for profits. Most are not even aware that their government has made it hard if not impossible, to sue for damages from vaccines.

        Lastly, in keeping with the growing Hegelian trend that “we own you and have a right to intervene”, this further models behavior that these oligarchs would love us to accept. Just as “Obamacare” forces us to buy health insurance, forcing us to get vaccinations shows a lack of respect for individual choice. Maybe even more frightening is the total lack of discussion related to immunization of infants. It displays either ignorance of the human immune system and its development, or knowing collusion with the drug companies.

    2. “Doctors are Gods” My parents are immigrants from Europe and they believe exactly that. Not only do doctors know everything about medicine and health, they know everything there is to know. If their doctor told them to invest in oil fields in Brooklyn, I have no doubt they would do it.

    3. “Doctors are Gods” – I consider them more like priests.

      1. the use or the administering of drugs
      2. poisoning
      3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
      fostered by it
      4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

      The Caduceus, commonly used by the medical community, is a symbol of….commerce!

      “In Roman iconography, it was often depicted being carried in the left hand of Mercury, the messenger of the gods, guide of the dead and protector of merchants, shepherds, gamblers, liars, and thieves.”

      1. Your comments are appreciated, Joseph.

        However, we must be careful and not say all pharmacists and all physicians are sorcerers.

        The medicinal use of wine is mentioned in Scripture several times (including 1 Timothy 5:23). Indeed, today pharmacologists recognise how good a small amount of wine is for the digestive system, backing up Paul’s advice to Timothy!

        The good Samaritan treated the wounds of the injured man with wine and oil (Luke 10:34). Wine is an antiseptic and will tend to coagulate blood, thereby assisting healing. Oil soothes and forms a coating.

        There are many biblical references to the value of seeking care of a doctor.

        However, in a broader sense, the powers that be do seem to want to mold our minds, to mind control us if you will. So perhaps getting the herd to just obey and take chemicals as commanded is a part of the negative aspects of vaccines that we should consider.

  2. You should have seen the savage attack on vaccine refusers last night on the Fox News panel show “the Five”. They had fmr. Secretary of State John Bolton as a guest panelist. The fervor which they lashed out at anyone daring to refuse vaccines was vicious. It was so one sided and they always use the same non-logic every time. Anyone that refuses is putting other people at risk and yet, if vaccines are so great, the ones dutifully taking the poison shots would have nothing to fear from those refusing them. It’s incredible they just keep saying the same thing over and over and get away with it. They were insufferable sycophants who marched in lockstep like lemmings. After attacking vaccine refusers, they started casually advocating nuking ISIS and John Bolton was delighted with the idea. I wanted to reach into the screen and bitch slap the lot of them.

    1. Unvaccinated children can theoretically get Measels from someone recently vaccinated. I believe the same may be true of smallpox. At least there is a risk of smallpox vaccine generating shingles in people that are exposed to vaccinated kids.

      1. Pat, as a practical matter, even those who are vaccinated “get” measles. The vaccinations work by providing a “boost” in antibodies that, in theory, keep the host from noticing that they have the disease. It doesn’t prevent anyone from “getting” it.

        The idea is that, with controlled exposure, the person’s body will generate antibodies for later use.

    2. Notice that when it comes to things like vaccinations, 9/11, Obama’s birth records, chemtrails, war on terror, or anything branded with the word “conspiracy” there is no distinction between the supposedly conservative Fox News and the Left-Wing MSNBC. All corporate media is corrupted by money – not to mention sheer ignorance.

    3. John Bolton in a nutshell- The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) calls Bolton “one of Israel’s truest friends in the world.”

  3. Forgetting all the hype, what they want is mandatory vaccinations. Meaning we line up at government run AHA clinics to receive shots on a regular basis. That way they can bring on new vaccinations of whatever chemicals they want and make sure everyone gets them….

  4. If vaccines are so effective, people that take them have nothing to fear from those that don’t. Medical decisions should always be a choice. I can choose to not have surgery, why can’t I refuse to have a vaccine? America was founded on the concept of freedom from tyranny. Tyranny is absolute power you can’t question. Mandatory vaccines is medical tyranny. Think for yourself and always doubt what you hear from the Powers That Be. They don’t have your best interests and welfare in mind, they have theirs. You have been programmed from birth to believe in vaccines and not to question them like the moon landing, the holocaust and the endless parade of crazed lone gunmen. They are all sacred cows that should be slaughtered. The truth needs no threat of retribution to validate it’s legitimacy, however lies are often vigorously defended with recrimination, reprisal and ad hominem attacks. If you kill the messenger, there’s no need to acknowledge the validity of the message. Especially when it so threatens your world view as to shake the very foundation your life is based on. People that question, refuse and reject vaccines threaten your world view. Get over it!

    1. “If vaccines are so effective, people that take them have nothing to fear from those that don’t. ” Absolutely. People who don’t vaccinate can get the disease and either survive or not. It should always be a choice. There needs to be more truth coming from the medical industry regarding the effectiveness of vaccination.

      1. ” It should always be a choice. There needs to be more truth coming from the medical industry regarding the effectiveness of vaccination.”

        The medical industry is now part of thepetrochemical-pharmaceutical cartel. Do not look for truth there. You may find what appears to be some truth there but realize that the overall intent is to manipulate and deceive.

        With the Internet, people are more likely to be able to access sources of information that is not found in the mainstream media and therefore the individual is armed with more “fair and balanced” truth.

        We see today that the truth that we ordinary people have gathered from alternative sources mainly via the web puts a huge disconnect between the “truth” that we are being sold by those “authorities” we interface with in every aspect of our lives.

        I suggest you watch and read every video and article by Dr, Russel Blaylock on vaccines free on the web and check out his books on Amazon and the comments there related to vaccines. GENERALLY, but subject to your reading and your child’s condition and history, the reasonable cautious approach to vaccines is to consider having your child at least get diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and tetanus. These are unfortunally all three combineed into the DPT shot.

        Never get any COMBINATION vaccines. Always get each one separately and then wait about 3 months (again subject to individual case) and then the next one.

        You do not load up a newborn with several vaccines and none would probably be best. Get your child home in a clean orderly environment and personal care of parent. Watch over every aspect of your child’s life as a loving responsible parent, and that includes seeking out good information and acting from your trained and informed conscience.

        You will have to network and “talk around” and “search around” to find a doctor in your area who is willing to give separate vaccines, not combo vaccines, and who is willing to space BASIC vaccines sufficiently.

        Only so much can be done these days because most doctors are in the clutches of something wicked. See petrochemical-pharmaceutical cartel. Doctors and hospitals and schools and local, state and federal agencies are under coercion and threats of many kinds, most of which relate to being allowed to have sufficient financial income and being allowed to stay in business and their employees tow the false line to remain employed.

        Your primary care doctor and specialist M.Ds. these days will try to sell you a flu vaccine. They must be under some strong coercion or motivation to push the flu shots, when the fact is that when they do this they immediately “dis” or create a huge “disconnect” and distrust and disrespect between their patient and them. The doctor-patient relationship should be characterized by trust and respect and clear and open communication, but this relationship ruined before it even really even is established and it goes down from there.

        “and the light shines on in the darkness and darkness could not overcome it.” John 1:5

        1. “The medical industry is now part of thepetrochemical-pharmaceutical cartel. Do not look for truth there.”

          Which is a sub-set of the famous MIC. Which has to do with profit and control and a great many other things, but which has nothing to do with whether or not there are diseases in the environment that predate the MIC.

          Keep in mind that I’m adjuring that they should tell the truth. I’m certainly not looking for much truth in their public pronouncements.

          “I suggest you watch and read every video and article …”

          For this, I do not have the time. My main contention is that measles is a disease. Is this not the truth? Why would there even be vaccines in the first place if there were no diseases to attempt vaccinating against?

          If there’s no agreement whatsoever first, that measles is a disease, then there’s no utility in further discussion.

        2. Sorry to butt in here John as I’m sure D will address your response but I think the more important issue to address is ‘why is there a vaccine injury court’?? Why has that court not been transparent and is now only known about through the intense work of very committed researchers?? Why is there such a thing as immunity for industry and is that justice?? Why has the childhood illness of measles been more or less weaponized??

          It used to be that you get measles, are sick for a few days and then have lifetime built-in immunity. But of course you have to have lived at that time to know that….

          Peace Bro…

        3. johnfornaro said…

          “My main contention is that measles is a disease. Is this not the truth? Why would there even be vaccines in the first place if there were no diseases to attempt vaccinating against?
          If there’s no agreement whatsoever first, that measles is a disease, then there’s no utility in further discussion.”

          Certainly measles (Rubeola”) is a “disease.”

          “An acute and highly contagious viral disease characterized by fever, runny nose, cough, red eyes, and a spreading skin rash.”

          As an aside I would comment that the complete citation gives a somewhat non-objective description. Acute, highly contagious and going on to name the very serious illnesses measles can lead to –
          Also there is the ever-present vaccine sell.
          “Measles can often be prevented through vaccination.”
          Would someone please define “often”>

          There are “diseases” and then there are “diseases.” We are to respond to a disease in an informed intelligent way, not in a manner that is fueled by fear mongering. Over-responding from hysteria and hype can harm your child. Sad to say hysteria about vaccines seems to be an engineered “problem” in today’s news, and the safety and health of the child appears most peripheral.

          There are “the usual childhood diseases” that as Patrick points out have for many years been regarded without alarm by parents. I acknowledge that the ‘engineers” may have made the usual childhood diseases not so usual anymore.

          A parent should observe the child carefully and watch for early signs that may indicate a complication of measles, a kind of measles that may evolve into a serious disease.
          Good clear plain and simple education of parents and “authorities” about warning signs that can occur after contracting measles is certainly needed, but I wonder how many just won’t have time for that even if this education was honestly and widely conveyed.

          Mike Adams just did a nice article explaining corruption in Merck labs regarding mumps vaccine safety.

          There was one important and confusing message that appeared three times in the article and that was that the “fraudulent MMR vaccine CAUSED a 2006 measels outbreaks.


          “because of a failed vaccine an outbreak occurs.”

          I hope Mike Adams goes back and explains exactly what he means by “caused.”

          As one of the commenter (markuzick) stated so nicely, a clarification is needed.

          “Are you saying that less than 95% effective vaccine “CAUSED” the
          outbreak, or, simply, that it failed to stop the breakout? To say that
          it caused the outbreak seems to imply that it’s lack of “herd immunity”
          that “causes” outbreaks. (It’s not a message that I think you meant to

          On the other hand, my first impression of the use of
          “caused” was that the vaccine was live and that it was used, literally,
          to infect children.”


          I personally think that the vaccinations a child receives in about the first five years of their life can set off a response in the immune system that may not show up for many years. This is a big mystery area of medicine that even the most establishment medical spokespersons will plainly admit is something little is known about. There are large numbers of patients of all ages who are suffereing from one inflammation/infection based ailment after another and no “cause” can be identified. This is another big secret of the medical “cartel” that prevents patients from being fully informed and therefore able to make appropriate decisions for themselves or their child.

        4. ​Spot on for you to make an appearance Pat as I was sitting here musing that you seem to have a philosophical talent and then, an ability to drive that right down to statements marked by clarity. So I was wondering if you could give me some feedback on the developed pattern I’ve noticed has appeared in our big manufactured pre-occupation with our health, living and dying.

          So we are on a teeter-totter. At one end we have the vaccine debate and more or less the health industry meme, ‘we will keep you from death’s doorstep.’ Then at the other end we have the Canadian Supreme Court which yesterday over-turned the ban against Dr. assisted suicide and death and more or less the health/political/judicial meme, ‘ we will take you to death’s doorstep and beyond with dignity.’

          Oh brother, a complete contradiction and what complexity for any unknowing person devoid of knowledge of the History of Eugenics.

          Now on the long arm between the two ends of the teeter totter what do you see there that possibly others do not? Is there any feedback you could or would share? I am looking for feedback in order to expand the pattern I have recognized thereby hoping to increase some of my insights and enhance my own understanding concerning the underbelly of the entire pattern.

          No pressure here Pat, just wondering what you could possibly have to share.

        5. Well, that’s a tall order, Bev. Thanks for your kind thoughts. A good place to start might be my response to dinophile’s request for philosophical approaches to assisted suicide. You can find that here (about halfway down the very long page):

          The world of 1984, as Orwell describes it, is one where most people are in a constant state of low-grade illness. The food is wretched, for one thing. Nutrition being essential to a clear mind, the communists that run the world have ensured that good food is unavailable. So everyone plods along through life listless, weak, and unable to even think of mounting an assault upon what has been done to them.

          This is an important aspect of what we are witnessing today. Raw milk is treated as a danger, for example, when it is the factory-created poisonous milk (which HAS to be boiled because it is so dangerous) is the real danger to our health. All the wireless devices and cell phone towers that are saturating our environment, as well, constitutes an assault upon our formerly effortless good health. Of course, just as in the case of raw foods, the AMA/FDA/Rockefeller system uses their MSM sock puppets to assure everyone that the poison is good for us, and the healthy is something to be terrified of.

          The miraculous increase in health and longevity Western civilization witnessed in the first half of the 20th century is entirely due to advances in sanitation and nutrition. Stop poisoning oneself, and start getting the essential nutrients into the diet, and you are unlikely to get sick. This, of course, was not in the Rockefellers’ interest, at all, so the sickness industry had to be created. They couldn’t, after all, ensures removing the sewers, or eliminating the bounty of food the mechanical reaper made possible. So they created the AMA, and financed the medical schools, and had the government create the FDA, to systematically change our perceptions about health and nutrition.

          The MSM, of course, had to be used to constantly reinforce this message. What grandparents always knew about healthy living, going back thousand of years rapidly was discounted, because the “experts,” the scientists, said we have only now discovered the truth about the things.

          The goal is a new human race, ignorant and weak. As Tolkien says in Lord of the Rings, Sauron hates the idea of Hobbits happy and free.

          The state has always been our worst enemy, of course, but with the advent of the technologies introduced in the 20th century it has become a panopticon no one can escape. When you are imprisoned, they have complete control over your body, inside and out. In the past, you were able to maintain control over your mind, but as in my quotes yesterday of Bertrand Russell, they can now take that away from us as well.

          A cheerful thought, from the ever cheerful, me.

          Thanks again for the nice words, Bev.

        6. Thank you ever so much for your feedback Pat, especially the link to your discourse on assisted suicide. Very, very helpful as I managed to grasp a big insight.

          Now back to the teeter totter where on one side we have
          ‘we will keep you from death’s doorstep’ and on the other side we have, ‘we will take you to death’s doorstep and beyond, with dignity.’ A huge contradiction if one can see a pattern developing.

          Now its that long arm between the two sides that both intrigued me and troubled me, I knew there was something there that I couldn’t see without grasping an insight. So what’s hidden on that long arm??

          Well you did not say the actual words that were there, but you laid out all the defining information that made the words clear. For example your statements implied:

          -evidence of diverse moral boundaries

          -a slow, deteriorating value of human life (our death culture)

          -what appears to be an intentional blurring of the meanings of killing and murder through word play

          -using compassion in a wrong way that steers perception into a twisted sense of sympathy

          -the creation of false perceptions

          -an excessive abundance of confliction of many Gods, many beliefs, many diverse moral codes

          Exceptional feedback Pat, the words hidden on that long arm are ‘multiculturalism’ and why it was so important to create.

          I can’t thank you enough for the feedback. Now I’m in a bit of a pickle, because I’m not biased or prejudiced so I’ve chosen to look at this as ‘we all’ have been used and hoodwinked.

          I’m not surprised at what transpired here because coincidentally at the present moment I am reading Darrell Hamamoto’s book, ‘Servitors Of Empire’ and when my mind focuses on one issue, the synchronicities that occur are usually massive. I’ll have to take this to much more thought because I have one year to join with like minds and fight the good fight (peaceful) against that very bad judicial decision yesterday.

          Keep the spirit and never waste that good mind of yours….

        7. That wasn’t “ensures”; it was supposed to be “endorse.” Plenty of other typos, but this was the ever-helpful Mac “fixing” a word into insensibility.

          I DO need to proofread before sending, as opposed to re-reading after sending. Duh.

        8. Bev, when you say:

          “Now back to the teeter totter where on one side we have
          ‘we will keep you from death’s doorstep’ and on the other side we have, ‘we will take you to death’s doorstep and beyond, with dignity.’ A huge contradiction if one can see a pattern developing.”

          I think it is only a contradiction in rhetorical terms, because they are two sides of the same coin: complete ownership of human lives on the part of the state. Governments always speak with forked tongue.

          The state believes that it has authority to legalize the murder of humans who have not even been born yet, and propagandizes to convince us that it does indeed properly has that moral role to play.

          The state believes that people do not own themselves, that it owns everyone who lives within its powerful reach (The United States government is uniquely arrogant in this, inasmuch as it’s the only country that asserts the power to tax its citizens’ income even if they do not reside here).

          So it believes that it has the authority to define what is healthy and what is not, no matter how preposterous; it can decree that cholesterol causes heart disease (it doesn’t), and that statin drugs are wonders beyond measure to save us from heart disease (they are deadly poisons). It believes it knows how much of any given nutrient we require each day (these numbers are always wrong), and that all water should have fluoride (one of the deadliest poisons known to man) and Clorox (incredibly harmful) added to it, without our consent.

          The state claims absolute authority over matters of nutrition to maintain our health, and also absolute authority in the matter of vaccines, because it has the power to annihilate disease.

          Everything the state wants us to believe about whatever it does to our bodies is WISDOM PERSONIFIED.

          Finally, just as the state holds that it has the authority to decree that murdering unborn children is a positive good, it also holds that it has the same authority to decree the conditions under which any of us can be murdered–by the state itself or by one of its agents (doctors, for instance, or policemen) at any time. As I wrote in my reply to dinophile, assisted suicide and euthanasia have not yet been decreed universally to be positive goods, but it is the inevitable logic of the state’s conception of itself.

          Because the state believes itself to be God.

          That’s why it is our worst enemy. Jefferson talked about “binding the state down with the chains of the Constitution.” A nice enough notion, if futile, because he himself broke those chains many times when he thought it was for the better good (The Louisiana Purchase, for example). I like to say that institutions are bigger than the sum of their parts. Just as I am more than a collection of a few trillion cells, governments and corporations have something like a soul, too.

          The soul is tripartite: mind, will and emotions. Governments have those three attributes; bureaucrats are the “cells” that coordinate to express them.

          Because it is in the nature of the mind of the state to declare itself to be God, and its will is to exert total authority over the human beings in its grasp, the only thing we can do to lessen the effect of its evil emotions is to limit its size, both financially (it should not be allowed the power to create money or to levy taxes) and geographically (the smaller the country the better).

          Very small states might think of themselves as gods, but they lack the power to control every aspect of us from womb to tomb. If this insight were the starting point of our national political conversation, we would not be in the dire trouble we have to face today.

        9. Thank you Pat and although you are very correct about the analogy of the teeter totter, I was rather musing about what seems to be two different very insistent extremes and the long arm between the two extremes where ‘something’ would have to be and that something would be allowing a movement from the one extreme to the other. That’s what I wanted to gain an insight into and why I ask for your input, which allowed me to reflect upon ‘meaning.’ So we do have to understand the point, where each of us is coming from.

          Thanks for your additional input, it quite remarkably aligns with my study and understanding into Bio-power, a study carried out by Michel Foucault which I analyzed intensively over a long period, again digging deeper for ‘meaning.’

          You’ve made some very strong statements and I thank you for sharing them. Concerning our shared concern for what is decreed as ‘a universal positive good’ you may find the expressed statements and concerns expressed in the link below, very interesting.

          Again much thanks!

        10. Doxie, excellent response. The most troubling aspect of this thread is the belief by some that vaccines are a magical “cure” for what ails us. This, of course, is a marvelous marketing tool.

          Our human condition is extraordinarily complex. In order to “improve” it, we first have to understand it. For every action there is a reaction. What is a “disease”? Can all diseases, ultimately, be driven to extinction by the use of vaccines?

          Infants, for example, acquire their immune responses from their mother’s milk. That is a form of “vaccine”. A child’s immune system is not fully operational until somewhere between six months and one year of age. If you introduce an artificial vaccine to a child under that age, you will have condemned that child for life to not having any immunological response to the targeted disease.

          The elimination of disease is a noble goal. The simplistic belief that it can be achieved through the simple expedient of vaccinations is faulty. Using the public’s fear of disease and ignorance of its causes, in order to mandate compliance for profit is emblematic of our current culture.

          We are being used like cattle. Every aspect of the herd’s life is being directed toward increasing the controller’s yield.

      2. “Certainly measles (Rubeola) is a ‘disease’.”

        Well good, then. For purposes of discussion, one could posit that medicine can find a vaccine which would prevent the disease, at least in principle. As it turns out, there’s many a slip between the principled cup and the lip.

        There could be many things wrong with vaccinces: improperly tested vaccines; mistakes in the manufacture, labeling and prescription of vaccines; adverse reactions to the vaccines which were never anticipated; overpricing of the vaccines; and so forth.

        While measles can develop into life threatening problems, it is still a good deal more benign than ebola, to take a current example. Personally, I caught the disease as a child and survived in the time before a vaccine was available. I remember when measles, mumps and what we called “chicken pops” went through the school; kids were out of school for weeks at a time. Catching these childhood diseases and fighting them off with one’s own immune system was thought, in the late fifties, to be a part of growing up.

        I think that people clamored for vaccines for these diseases for two reasons, fear of complications, and a desire for freedom from the inconvenience of infection in the first place. The fear probably ranged from warranted to unreasonable, and the desire to avoid the inconvenience of infection is easily understood. Over the last fifty years, the fears have been stoked, and convenience has been portrayed as a right, when it is not.

        As dachsielady said, “We are to respond to a disease in an informed intelligent way, not in a manner that is fueled by fear mongering.”

        I totally agree with this conclusion, but casually wonder why my original statement was not seen as agreement:

        People who don’t vaccinate can get the disease and either survive or not. It should always be a choice. There needs to be more truth coming from the medical industry regarding the effectiveness of vaccination.

        It’s straightforward answering Bev: The reason there is a “vaccine injury court” is because doctors and vaccine manufacturers make mistakes, and should be held accountable for those mistakes. As to the asserted lack of transparency in that court, note that I said there needs to be more truth coming from the medical industry. None of these cases should be hidden, and by my take, there is a falsehood of privacy being claimed by people who get the payouts, but whose children are dead. This only results in the companies being held accountable in privacy as well, and the public never gets to know the truth of the various claims and their causes and their eventual settlements. What happens is that the companies get to keep making “mistakes” on purpose, and the settlements are simply an expense in their business.

        1. ​Hi John…I guess when I posted to you, you thought I was seeking answers when I was really pointing out through questions, the issues I feel are a priority. I apologize for the confusion because really when it comes to the issue, I’m the oldest pair of shoes in your closet….smiles…

          In my perspective measles is a childhood illness, not a disease. Sorry, that’s just my thoughts on it as I am very attentive to words and their meanings.

          The definition of accountability is an obligation or willingness to accept responsibility or to account for one’s actions. In what you explained to me about accountability do you see it there? Wouldn’t true accountability be to stop doing the actions that injure and kill?

          The payments you speak of are not as private as you think and if you do some quick research, you will discover that is true.

        2. At the risk of being misunderstood, what I’m suggesting is that we take a deep breath, step back and ponder what “disease” is. We also need a rudimentary understanding of how the immune system works.

          While I realize that my explanation is simplistic, it is meant to be illustrative, not all inclusive. We live with the organisms that cause “disease” all of the time. When we consider ourselves “immune” from something, it means that our bodies have developed sufficient antibodies to the organism to keep it from multiplying itself to a point where it overcomes us.

          Our bodies do this all the time. With the exception of diseases that require surgical intervention or so-called “auto-immune” diseases, the only thing that keeps us alive is our immune system. When we visit the doctor and she prescribes something to help fight the infestation, our immune systems must take up the fight as well. If it is strong enough, we survive.

          When we vaccinate, we are artificially introducing an agent to cause the immune system to respond. It responds by producing antibodies that are stored for future use in the lymphatic system. The theory here runs that, should our immune systems become weakened and a particular organism outpaces our ability to contain it, reserves of stored antibodies will be drawn upon to help in the fight.

          In the case of auto-immune diseases, like arthritis or certain skin conditions, medications are administered to suppress the immune system. In light of what I’ve said above, that is a risky business.

          When we reach a certain age we have largely been exposed to most agents in our environment. We have developed antibodies to combat them, and unless we are weakened by other factors we generally remain healthy. If we go to a new environment where new agents are introduced, we may become ill while our immune systems generate antibodies to deal with those new agents.

          So, for children six months of age and older, it could be a benefit to immunize them. This of course depends upon two factors; (1) the vaccine has been shown to be safe, and (2) it is effective.

          There is another point at which your immune system can become so depleted by manufacturing antibodies in response to vaccines that it is counterproductive. It is generally the “fight” that causes you to feel ill. So, a consideration should be made as to whether it is better to suffer the illness and develop antibodies that way, or to induce the same thing through the use of a vaccine.

          What the media would have us believe is that unvaccinated persons are dangerous. Further, if everyone was vaccinated against everything, those diseases would “disappear”. This is not true, but it is good for profits.

        3. Bev:

          “I guess when I posted to you, you thought I was seeking answers when I was really pointing out through questions, the issues I feel are a priority.”

          With these being the questions you refer to:

          “I think the more important issue to address is Why is there a vaccine injury court?? Why has that court not been transparent and is now only known about through the intense work of very committed researchers?? Why is there such a thing as immunity for industry and is that justice?? Why has the childhood illness of measles been more or less weaponized??”

          I don’t understand the idea of asking a question in order to only set a “priority” because in order to address your priorities, the only way I see it is to answer your questions, and discover where the conversation goes. Also, the vaccine court has been known about for a long time. I took a googol on the term “vaccine court”. This was the second entry.

          I had to chuckle when the first entry was the friggin’ lawyers:

          “We’re Here to Help.” I feel healthier already. Richer too.

          The idea that the measles vaccine has been “weaponized” makes no sense to me. If killing innocent people for no reason is a goal of a pathological person or an organized group of pathological people, there are far more convenient ways to go about doing that, as we see on the news every day.

          No doubt the “payments” I mention are probably accessible to researchers with greater skill than I have. My set of research skills has no effect on the proper accountability or transparency of the vaccine court, so I’m afraid I don’t understand the point that you may be making.

          You ask:

          “Wouldn’t true accountability be to stop doing the actions that injure and kill?”

          I don’t see your question as being all that different from my assertion that doctors and vaccine manufacturers make mistakes, and should be held accountable for those mistakes. I add that some of those mistakes may be inadvertent, but it is also clear that some of those “mistakes” are acts of intention, and some of them are probably criminal acts. The theory is that the court solves those problems.

          Finally, as to the semantic difference of “illness” versus “disease”, I’m not seeing a larger point.

          Lophatt mentioned:

          “What the media would have us believe is that unvaccinated persons are dangerous. Further, if everyone was vaccinated against everything, those diseases would “disappear”. This is not true, but it is good for profits.”

          If, as seems to be the case by my thinking, profit trumps accomplishment, then truly there is worship at the altar of Mammon. If socialism stops working when the government runs out of other people’s money, capitalism also stops working when the insider capitalists tap Treasury without producing anything. The media, for the most part, left and right, is in the business of lying and this supports all sorts of evil governmental mischief.

          JFT’s comment about the “increasing inability of individuals to exercise simple logic”, rings true. As people more and more willingly choose ignorance, the widespread ignorance ends up supporting the worship of the Almighty Dollar, allowing government and the media to lie blatantly, with the result that freedom of speech and thought become curtailed.

        4. ” As people more and more willingly choose ignorance, the widespread ignorance ends up supporting the worship of the Almighty Dollar, allowing government and the media to lie blatantly, with the result that freedom of speech and thought become curtailed.”

          We have been fed so many lies over so many centuries that it becomes difficult to properly define “ignorance.”

          As for worshipping the Almighty Dollar, yes, that is a false god that must not be worshipped, but rarely is worship of the dollar the sole motive. Again, it boils down to evil from the Evil One.

          I care less about ” freedom of speech and thought” than freedom of choice and action, that is, the right to not take vaccinations.

          “and the light shines on in the darkness and darkness could not overcome it.” John 1:5

        5. Hi John, thanks for reply. You can consider my asking questions a small litmus test to see what you were aware of and how much you were aware of, concerning the issue. I have found over the years that asking questions serves as a good way to make people think harder, longer and deeper. As I said before, I apologize if I confused you. I suppose its a strategy that works much better when you are face to face with a person.

          The vaccine court was functioning as you say but not with the kind of transparency which allows the majority of the public to know. The payment stories were not something the MSM raised as a subject to be discussed. It was all rather a hush-hush affair for a long time.

          John, although I should have said the word ‘measles’ has been weaponized, so as to impart a lot of fear to the public, I suppose that I could have made a Freudian slip there, as I am well aware of the statements of earlier 20th century social thinkers like Bertrand Russell and I have most older and newer books in my own library, which document the history of Eugenics. I am also aware of the over-population meme. When all these things meet and connect it is indeed not a pretty ideology or a pleasant realization as to possibilities, one enjoys holding in their mind.

          Your research skills are not in question here and never were. Any effort taken towards self-education for any person is a beneficial step, and as far as accountability goes there has to be something terribly flawed in the program if you have to have a court to pay for injuries, which for some are lifetime injuries. Beyond that the entire idea of paying money for a lost life is terrible because if we have any morals or ethics, we do not put a price tag on the lives of those we love.

          The court solves the problems that come up around mistakes!

          Think backwards!

          There is a vac injury court=there is the expectation there will be injuries and death=money will fix it all. Faulty thinking for a flawed system=no accountability. Study semantics: illness is a period of sickness you will get over, disease is a disorder and faulty functioning that could be long-term and life threatening. Its all about the impact of the words on the person receiving the message. I do see the larger point and I will continue to see measles as a childhood illness that gives you natural, lifetime immunity.

          Thank you for your comments on Lophatt’s statements and also on the Professor’s statements. You see, we had this big discussion to understand we are on the same page, understand the same principles of what we are discussing and we share a commonality in thoughts on the matter. We just exercise our articulations on the matter differently and because we are talking on this little plastic box it takes time to work out the kinks and the bumps in the road, and you know that’s alright, its a process!

          All is well that ends well John. The best of the day to you sir!!

        6. As long as I am able to think and speak freely, it is not likely that I will be confused. I do use different rhetorical techniques and lines of reasoning to find out the nature of the “litmus testing” that is always going on, particularly in web sites with this kind of anonymous audience participation.

          I mentioned my observation that the public never gets to know the truth of the various claims and their causes and their eventual settlements in the vaccine court. Bev was quick to comment:

          “The payments you speak of are not as private as you think and if you do some quick research, you will discover that is true.”

          Then Bev commented:

          “The payment stories were not something the MSM raised as a subject to be discussed. It was all rather a hush-hush affair for a long time.”

          The “payments” are “not as private” as I thought, but are also a “hush-hush affair” going on for a “long time”. There’s an issue regarding the personal use of semantics here that partains to the two comments.

          No doubt that “the word ‘measles’ has been weaponized, so as to impart a lot of fear to the public”. I mentioned earlier that I think that people clamored for vaccines for diseases such as measles for two reasons, fear of complications, and a desire for freedom from the inconvenience of infection in the first place. I know all about fear; after all, “Fear is the mind-killer”:

          Just because I assert personal knowledge of fear does not mean that I am free from the experience of fear, nor that I’m some kind of jedi either. People are so afraid these days, and corporations use that fear for profit. Take Apple. Millions of people are afraid, there’s no other word for it, not to upgrade their devices. And when “they” talk about “diseases”, whoah, fear can become palpable in so many people.

          Bev: “The entire idea of paying money for a lost life is terrible because if we have any morals or ethics, we do not put a price tag on the lives of those we love.”

          This is a completely different topic. It’s interesting, clinically, to consider the related meme that if even one child should be killed by a gun, that’s a tragedy, but that killing millions of human fetuses is a free will choice. Since the times of Abraham, people have been assigning an economic value to a human life. As long as I am free to live and to speak and to think, I will be able to discuss this issue as I choose to.

          Dachsielady: “I care less about ‘freedom of speech and thought’ than freedom of choice and action, that is, the right to not take vaccinations.” An interesting trade which on the surface seems to lead inexorably to Guantanamo Bay, but without vaccinations or Bibles. There’s the technicality that free speech is a form of action, and that free thought includes choice. Vaccination is a choice and should always be a choice, as I mentioned above.

          Bev: “The best of the day to you sir!” Hah! with Alan Turing being in the news these days, I’m pretty sure that you’re a human being.

        7. Hi again John….lets fix the confusion around my statements about ‘payments.’ You see there is the MSM where the truth is hush…hush. Then there is the online world clamoring with the voices of those wishing and willing to discuss the truth.

          Easily fixed, but you know I do appreciate you pointing things out where you are basically saying…’clarify and clarify’…. we do need to hear that and especially when conversing on this little plastic box.

          Yes we agree on the weaponizing of words and using it against an unsuspecting society. Thanks for sharing the link, very interesting and also your thoughts on fear. It too is an issue very wrapped up in the excessive amount of social engineering going on in society today and in the vac issue itself. Coincidentally I was on the road today and a very opportune moment arose for me to wake somebody up about the fear of this weaponized word. Glad to report the person responded to some well structured questions and the conversation was well received. So I’ve done my small bit for today.

          John, although you see my statement on death as a completely different topic, I’ll stand by my statement, because death is writ into the issue we are discussing here. Interesting you should bring up the killing of millions of human fetuses. I did drop a link further up the page on a science based study that examined the introduction of fetal DNA cell lines into vaccines and the corresponding escalation of autism. You might find that study interesting.

          Personally for me life is sacred and the amount of killing done today clashes in my mind with the constant hype that were so civilized and were so exceptional. The manufactured media death culture we live in is very disgusting as it drags people away from respect for life, respect for others, and a love for good, decent living. But sociologist C. Wright Mills did warn us about being moved by obscure forces and its pervasive transformations of the very ‘nature’ of man and the conditions and aims of his life. I fear not enough have savored his wise council and warnings so too many remain unable to define the very forces acting upon all their internal lives.

          John, I love your ending, I always love a good chuckle and I assure you I am very human and AI just happens to be one of my ongoing studies. Totolos for now, the chat’s been good!

  5. Excellent report and follow-up comments. Kudos to Dr. Tracy for challenging the Gods on Medical Mountain. Especially found docsielady’s contribution enlightening.

    Thanks to all for caring and sharing. We are the resistance and we dare not lay down our arms!

  6. I believe that I made a seminal discovery around a decade ago, and wrote a book to describe it (click on my name to investigate further): Western Civilization came to an end with the 9/11 event, and we are now in a new, as yet unnamed civilization. The 20th century was a transition phase between the two.

    So we are increasingly seeing the outlines of what the New Civilization, as I call it, will look like. This vaccine thing is an important element of it. dachsie and James, in his response to her, remind me of this. We were trained systematically in the 20th century to mistrust non-Rockefeller directed medical models. The AMA and the FDA typify this. Medical school is seminary for one denomination of the New Civilizational priesthood.

    Prior to the complete takeover of the civilizational mind (since both “left” and “right” MSM organs, as dereklancer points out, are of one mind on this), everyone knew that childhood diseases are normal, and good, because they train the young immune system. That is, they are required for good health later in life. Many parents intentionally sent their children to visit houses where the kids had caught measles or chicken pox, or whatever, in fact, for just that reason.

    Prior to the Deathstar that destroyed America (that would be Lincoln, for those of you new around here–we only have an AMA/FDA because of what he did to the country), anyone would have laughed at this fear of measles and mumps, much less chicken pox. I always am reminded of the scoffing Huck Finn was met with when he made up the cause of a deadly illness when he found himself in a tight spot:

    “What’s the name of them people over on t’other side of the river that you all goes to see sometimes?”
    They says:
    “There’s several; but it’s the Proctors, mainly.”
    “That’s the name,” I says; “I most forgot it. Well, Miss Mary Jane she told me to tell you she’s gone over there in a dreadful hurry—one of them’s sick.”
    “Which one?”
    “I don’t know; leastways, I kinder forget; but I thinks it’s—”
    “Sakes alive, I hope it ain’t Hanner?”
    “I’m sorry to say it,” I says, “but Hanner’s the very one.”
    “My goodness, and she so well only last week! Is she took bad?”
    “It ain’t no name for it. They set up with her all night, Miss Mary Jane said, and they don’t think she’ll last many hours.”
    “Only think of that, now! What’s the matter with her?”
    I couldn’t think of anything reasonable, right off that way, so I says:
    “Mumps your granny! They don’t set up with people that’s got the mumps.”
    “They don’t, don’t they? You better bet they do with these mumps. These mumps is different. It’s a new kind, Miss Mary Jane said.””How’s it a new kind?”
    “Because it’s mixed up with other things.”
    “What other things?”
    “Well, measles, and whooping-cough, and erysiplas, and consumption, and yaller janders, and brain-fever, and I don’t know what all.”
    “My land! And they call it the mumps?”
    “That’s what Miss Mary Jane said.”
    “Well, what in the nation do they call it the mumps for?”
    “Why, because it is the mumps. That’s what it starts with.”

    Mark Twain has the boy’s mind springing the only diseases he knows, but the grownups simply laugh at the totally non-scary scenario. That grownups today are afraid of such non-scary diseases is in itself terrifying. That they have given themselves over to absolute trust in a priesthood of malevolence is chilling.

    That many thinking people hold heretical views about the blood poisoning the New Civilization decrees all must volunteer for is a happy thought, but the way the MSM is now circling the wagons against them reminds me of Bloody Mary, and the sad necessity for Fox to write his Book of Martyrs. There really are prominent people who want parents who protect their children from that unnecessary blood poisoning, although presumably not by being burned in the public square with vast throngs cheering as they smell the aroma of their roasting flesh.

    And blood-poisoning it is. Vaccines themselves should terrify us. As should their promoters.

    This complete unwillingness of our rulers to acknowledge that there is a legitimate question as to the healthiness of vaccines is an indicator, a marker shaping the outlines of the civilization we no live within, just as surely as is the whole, increasingly bizarre, “trans” thing. We are expected to accept these things as normal, and if we refuse, we are heretics, worthy of vilification at the least.

    1. Patrick, yes indeed. I remember well what it was like to be frightened daily with the specter of Polio. When the vaccine came along we all lined up for the sugar cubes and breathed a sigh of relief that we wouldn’t end up in an “iron lung”.

      My reading since leads me to believe that the vaccine had little, if anything, to do with the control of Polio. Just as recent episodes of people coming down with diseases that they had previously been vaccinated against seems to indicate.

      A few years ago I received a physical exam from my doctor. He insisted that “at my age” not getting a flu shot could prove fatal. I relented and have lived to regret it. The injection site did not heal for weeks. Soon I could no long raise my arm or even hang a towel on a rack. This developed into excruciating pain in my neck and shoulder and a loss of strength in my arm.

      After MRI’s and a visit to a neurologist, no one would admit the cause. I know what the cause was. It was a reaction to the vaccine. While the symptoms have lessened, I am now living with reduced function, tremors, and pain.

      Inoculating children prior to the age of six months is ridiculous and harmful. If a child is exposed to an antigen prior to their immune system’s developing the ability to recognize “self” from “not-self”, they will forever have no immunity to that invader.

      Any vaccine offered should be demonstrably effective and safe beyond a reasonable doubt. Instead they are churning these out, without sufficient testing, and asking us to “trust them”. Well, I for one, do not.

      1. I’m so sorry to hear your story, Lophatt.

        My 17-year old son suffers from Tourette’s; his symptoms first emerged when he was about three. Thank heavens, it’s not as severe as you see on TV, but it’s bad enough to be a burden. I would not be at all surprised if it were due to vaccine injury, but how could I ever go about proving that? Right before we removed ourselves from the public school system altogether (when he was in the 7th grade), he was compelled to get a whooping cough vaccine (though he’d already had the dread(!) disease years before); like you, the injection site took weeks to heal, and he had weird, lingering symptoms, though not as bad as yours.

        My GP offers flu shots but warns against them. He told me in a moment of candor that he thinks vaccines cause autism and other neurological disorders. He also believes that chemtrails are real and that they’re harming us. That–and a quarter–will buy you a cup of coffee…

        Though I like my doc, and I believe he’s “one of the good ones”, I have started to think the Christian Scientists might be onto something, at least where doctors are concerned.

        1. Recynd, I have a daughter who is autistic. She is now 43 years old. I have three other “normal” children and have no history of anything like autism in my family.

          While I have no proof that my daughter acquired her condition from vaccines, there is anecdotal evidence that this may well be the case. When she was diagnosed the ratio was 1 in 15,000. The recent ratios, while I’m not sure I trust them either, are truly frightening. The implications are staggering.

          When my daughter was an infant we had a very well-respected pediatrician. Over the years I have met several medical doctors and had the opportunity to speak to them at length about many things. As with anything else we discuss here at MHB, things are not as most believe them to be.

          There is a difference between education and training. Many, (I say most), are quite content to be trained to do something without much further thought. As I’ve said many times, even a logical argument means little if you start with a faulty premise. If one’s premises are not reexamined on a regular basis one is in danger of simply working robotically.

          I try not to fixate on this subject. The truth is that while medical science has made great technological advances, their understanding of the human component of disease hasn’t progressed very far. Indeed, it is not controlled by the practitioners, it is a business that is shaped by those reaping the profits from it.

          Most do not study medicine out of altruistic motives. They know they will be showered with respect and money if they succeed. They are extremely concerned about protecting their material gain. Even, as your GP may think, to the point of prescribing drugs he may question.

          What I think this shows is a fundamental problem that can be applied to any profession. It is more troubling when applied to medicine as our very lives depend upon it. Those who control the mine get the gold, the rest get the shaft.

          As ethics and morals become less and less important, those in control of the available resources grow in influence and power. We accept impure motives as “normal”. The MD’s retain the respect derived from having “a higher calling”, while pursuing “a lower road”.

          I have a cousin who works for a company that staffs medical practices. I have received some unique insights over the years from discussions with her. Most have no idea of the magnitude of the influence exerted by pharmaceutical companies and insurance firms on medical practices. They can (and will) literally make or break a doctor.

          Like anything else studied here, it is vitally important to see the subject as it actually is, not as we’ve been conditioned to believe it is. Nothing ever improves if it has impure motives. The power of money cannot be allowed to be the purpose of life. If it is, we can expect to see this pattern repeated. Real respect and admiration comes from selfless efforts, not self-serving ones. As currently structured, the system ensures monied control.

          Many doctors are becoming discouraged. Those who may have had some degree of selfless motivation are forced to operate a risky business that occupies more of their time than medicine. Those trapped in the pharma system become pill dispensers. They are timed and evaluated by bookkeepers like tele-marketers. It is clear that those who cause these conditions will not regulate themselves.

        2. I appreciate everything you say here, lophatt. Two things in particular inspire my thoughts. You said:

          “The truth is that while medical science has made great technological advances, their understanding of the human component of disease hasn’t progressed very far.”

          And you said:

          “What I think this shows is a fundamental problem that can be applied to any profession. It is more troubling when applied to medicine as our very lives depend upon it.”

          Medicine is uniquely complicated in our time. The mechanical, technical, applied aspect is quite remarkable. You, for instance, are about to have your eyes operated on. When in history was that possible? Orthopedists can rebuild broken limbs, putting screws and pins into bones when in the past they’d simply saw the hand or the foot off. MRIs and ultrasound and so much else allow pure science to inform physicians’ decision-making.

          On the other hand, these same physicians, when it comes to the chemistry side of things, act just like witch doctors, and expect their technical talents to run interference for that sorcery. Like a crooked business running two sets of books, legitimately gaining our trust on the one side of the ledger, we are expected to trust them just as fully on the dodgy side.

          I think this is because, for the most part they are deceived. The deception begins in medical school, continues through the pharma-financed journal articles and conferences, and the salesmen visits and free samples (largely gorgeous babes). They just trust it all, and don’t dig in with probing enquiries.

          Prescription drugs are largely taken in combination, as are vaccines. Leaving aside the corruption involved in the actual testing of these individual chemicals, there is absolutely no study ever done of the effects when these things are combined in the body. Certainly, no one has ever studied what these cocktails do to the body over time.

          This is not science.

          If I shatter my ankle, I am confident the technician will get me walking again, as would never have been the case in the past. But prescription drugs? Injections? I have absolutely no confidence in them, outside a dose of antibiotics to cure something like an ear infection (I once had one of those, and I can testify that those pills saved me from the worst pain I have ever experienced).

        3. Patrick, well said. Indeed my approaching eye surgery caused me to comment about the technical expertise (I hope!). What you say is what I mean by the difference between education and training. Education would give them the will and skills necessary to question what needs to be questioned. Training provides the procedural skills necessary.

          The only disagreement I have with what you said is the part about “beginning in medical school”. I think it begins much earlier. An M.D. friend of mine is fond of reminding me that people don’t necessarily have to have much of a background in biology or an interest in science to go to medical school.

          In our society we are raised to place professions on a pedestal. Certain ones, say medical doctors, are at the pinnacle of this. In working with engineers and lawyers all these years I’ve noticed a phenomenon. Many think that when they graduated and “earned” their credentials, they’re done. They paid their dues and now the world owes them.

          While continuing educational requirements to maintain certifications and licenses are good, they often do little more than keep those who possess them up to date with new developments. To excel at something requires more than that. It requires a lifelong commitment to learning and rational thought.

          Unfortunately, what all too often happens is that people decide to obtain a degree in order to make money. Once they have it they rest on their laurels and become convinced of their own superiority. The schools need the revenue and the students need the career. Most don’t give it much thought beyond that.

          You can write this off to “human nature”, or you can expect better than that. Professional respect is something that should be earned, not just in the monetary sense. The U.S. is much more servile to its medical doctors than almost anywhere else. It isn’t that they don’t get respect, they are simply not worshipped. The reason for the worship are the professional organizations such as the AMA who do this to justify their price.

          We get what we allow. We sacrifice convenience for efficiency. We no longer expect to have a real conversation with our physician. He sees patients like he were making cheeseburgers. The function is making money, not alleviating ailments. They are annoyed by ailments that require a break in the sequence. It’s a “loss” situation for them.

          I suppose what I’m saying is that it is not a science, it is a business. Maximizing profit trumps everything. That is not a good foundation to build the “helping arts” upon.

  7. At age four, after being vaccinated prior to Kindergarten, my son developed cyclical vomiting syndrome along with apparent cognitive decline. It took years for doctors to diagnose him. One suggested it might be vaccine-related, but wouldn’t commit to that. So I did what research I could. Stopped all subsequent vaccines with that doctor’s recommendation for waiver. Schools were ok with it. He’s 26 now. I hate to think about what he’s lost. I try to talk to my daughter about the risks she’s taking with her children, particularly with Gardasil. We have a fairly large group of physicians here in Northern California who won’t see children unless they meet all vaccine requirements. And now a legislator is introducing legislation to make it “difficult” to opt out.

  8. The ultimate authority on vaccines and children is Dr. Andrew Wakefield who wrote a number of studies and books on the topic. A good interview is here where he explains the difference between the single measles vaccine and the combined MMR –

    and the wild, attempted take down by Anderson Cooper acting like a trained operative is here, just for comparison of how the establishment would like the corruption behind vaccines to go away –

    1. You see more and more tv personalities( not journalist that’s for sure) being used as agents .O’Reilly,M. Kelly,Gutfeld,etcetera The coverage on MSM has been so one sided it is a sure tip off that a major coverup is going on

      1. Megan Kelly’s defense of vaccines was Disgraceful even declaring “her” kids are fine. She got a whole lot of hate mail on that.

        It is so sad how many young girls lives were destroyed when they pushed that “Gardasil” vaccine on 12 years girls assuming they are sexually active and needed protection.

        Children should take any vaccine until at least 5 years old and only 1 at time not theses 5 combined instant profit ones.

        I’m no expert but common sense tells me NEVER give a 6-month child anything un-natural much less a mercury filled vaccine.

  9. The science is clear: “I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”


  10. On October 1, 1988, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (Public Law 99-660) created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). The VICP was established to ensure an adequate supply of vaccines, stabilize vaccine costs, and establish and maintain an accessible and efficient forum for individuals found to be injured by certain vaccines.
    The VICP is a no-fault alternative to the traditional tort system for resolving vaccine injury claims that provides compensation to people found to be injured by certain vaccines. The U. S. Court of Federal Claims decides who will be paid. Three Federal government offices have a role in the VICP:
    the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS);
    the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ); and
    the U.S. Court of Federal Claims (the Court).
    The VICP is funded by a $0.75 excise tax on vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for routine administration to children. The excise tax is imposed on each dose (disease that is prevented) of a vaccine. Trivalent influenza vaccine for example, is taxed $0.75 because it prevents one disease; measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, which prevents three diseases, is taxed $2.25.

    This, of course, means that the Pharmaceutical industry has distanced themselves from any financial responsibility in compensating those that have been injured by their products and instead has passed the cost on to the very same consumers that they injured in the first place !

    As of September, 2013, the fund had a balance of approximately 5.5 Billion Dollars !

    Most people do not know that in January, 2013, the parents of 2 children diagnosed with Autism were awarded settlements for lifetime care that could amount to tens of millions of dollars. Stopping short of directly attributing the cause of their Autism to the MMR vaccine, the government conceded by it’s actions that the vaccine was connected to the encephalopathy and caused permanent injury.

    The MMR vaccine is generally administered to children around the age of one year, with a second dose before starting school (i.e. age 4/5). The second dose is a dose to produce immunity in the small number of persons (2–5%) who fail to develop measles immunity after the first dose.[3] In the United States, the vaccine was licensed in 1971 and the second dose was introduced in 1989. Perhaps that explains how the Autism rate skyrocketed from 1 in 10,000 in 1980 to 1 in 500 by 1995.

    The latest numbers show that about 1 in 50 children born in the United States is now diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder. There are about 4,000,000 children born in the United States each year which means that about 80,000 kids per year will be diagnosed !

    Now, I must admit, that I am no expert in regards to the disease. I have only just begun to research it’s causes and treatments, but it appears to me that there is a substantial amount of money to be made if one could just figure out what the proper course of treatment should be. It appears to me that even the American Academy of Pediatrics is only suggesting treating a few of the most severe symptoms.
    “There is no standard medicine for the treatment of autism. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) suggests targeting the main one or two problem behaviors when considering medicines.”

    Other agencies say “Being a neural disorder, autism cannot be treated through medicines. Medical practitioners use drugs in cases of autism solely to treat and manage symptoms”

    Apparently selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, or SSRI’s as they are commonly known are the usual drug of choice for treating the symptoms, but also have substantial risk of dangerous side effects , including suicide.

    So, the treatment of Autism Spectrum Disorder has been a very lucrative business for the pharmaceutical industry as they have managed to distance themselves from any liability in causing the onset of this disease by shifting responsibility to the taxpayer via the VICP. The VICP, which is a government institution funded through an excise tax which is paid for by the consumer.

    As awareness of the culpability of these pharmaceutical companies rises, I can’t help but wonder if they saw it coming. As the number of families affected by the disease increases dramatically, the calls for investigation into the cause will also increase proportionately. With celebrities such as Jenny McCarthy and whistle-blowers such as Dr. William W Thompson speaking out about the link between the MMR vaccine and autism, it was probably obvious to the pharmaceutical industry that evasive measures needed to happen.

    Is it more than just a coincidence that Amish people don’t get vaccinated; nor do they get Autism !!

    There is a concerted effort to clamp down on any information put forth to demonstrate the link between autism and vaccination as MSM continues to work hand in hand with Big Pharma to promote the idea that vaccines should be mandatory. Indeed, the right of informed consent will apparently soon be a thing of the past as Political Groups are formed to insist that we abide, while those speaking out against vaccinations are chastised , or threatened to the point of defeat

    There is a good reason for Big Pharma and the Federal Government to keep the link between Autism and Vaccination concealed. When Ed Arranga of Autism One asked a Congressman why the Congress was so reluctant to take on this issue, the Congressman replied, “Because it has the potential to TAKE DOWN THE GOVERNMENT !!”. Take down the government – his words !

      1. Thank you for making us aware of this important CBS video and article.

        I think the comment by the M.D. is important enough to be posted in full so here goes. It is good to follow the money trail as thorouhly as possible and to see all the connections that affect our medical care. However, when you think about this information, you keep coming to the same conclusion. “Science” is screwed and so is the entire medical profession because they are in the clutches of the beast.

        SylviaPF November 6, 2013 10:10PMThank you for this piece. As a physician, trained at an Ivy league medical school and residency, I am acutely aware of how ties to the pharmaceutical industry influence almost every level of teaching, training and research. This is done by sponsoring educational events, supporting the academic salaries of professors, and by giving research grants, thereby driving research agendas. Pharma also influences physicians directly, which is currently being investigated by Propublica. The influence of corporate pharmaceutical financial motivations cannot be underestimated and it is a piece of our medical system that ordinary citizens simply do not understand. This plays out in several ways with regard to the vaccine industry. First, SCIENTIFIC STUDIES and DATA (published in mainstream, peer-reviewed journals) that suggest serious safety concerns with vaccines are simply ignored and not integrated into public policy recommendations. Second, vaccine safety studies are woefully inadequate and often conducted by the pharmaceutical industry–those studies cherry pick the healthiest children, administer only one vaccine, and follow children for a matter of days. Third (this is related to the second point), vaccines have never been studies in combination and certainly never studied in combinations of 4-5 vaccines at a time, the way they are administered today. NEVER EVER. This is important for several reasons: the immune system is more complex than we had ever imagined when vaccines were developed and the immune system intersects with immune and neuroimmune system in important ways, so stimulating the immune system this intensely has implications. In addition, we know from toxicology studies that toxins act synergistically, so that metals (aluminum and sometimes mercury) as well as preservatives (some of them known cancer-causing agents) may, in combination, produce a toxic burden that some children are not able to clear. There is ANIMAL DATA to support neurotixic effects of current vaccination protocols. Data that has been ignored by policy makers. Those of us who rightfully questions the safety of current vaccination policy are often denigrated (see comments above) but I assure you my concerns are based in SCIENCE, not only data about adverse outcomes in animals and HUMANS (autoimmune reactions, narcolepsy, developmental issues) but also about the emerging complexity of the immune and inflammatory systems. I hope this investigation continues. Finally, I would like to add that many many physicians share my concerns about vaccination but feel constrained to speak out in academic circles. This is the ultimate compromise of true science and free thinking. Questions should be asked, investigated and answered. To that end, studies of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated outcomes are imperative as are more studies about vaccine safety (a conclusion the Institute of Medicine made in their last position paper on vaccination, where they noted that the current vaccination schedule had never been studied). “and the light shines on in the darkness and darkness could not overcome it.” John 1:5

    1. Tons of information there, thank you absmover, makes one’s stomach turnover! Am getting the sense that the ‘media’ is about to implode on itself.

      The lead anchor and news director for NBC has weakly admitted he has lied for twelve years on being shot down in Iraq and still gets to sign a $10 million/per year contract. Can it be the biggest liars get the biggest rewards? What happened to the crew who also are witnesses to this big lie?

      All the MSM has recently declared that according to a 2008 Pentagon report, Putin has signs of Asperger’s disease, wonder if he got his MMR shot? The timing is incredible!

  11. Patrick stated that Western Civilization has come to an end with 9/11. A profound insight. I strongly disagree with Patrick’s cynicism and perverted values, but, like Malcolm X, I am for truth no matter who tells it. The racism, violence, and delusion that historically has been a large part of the Western Tradition has exploded into the mainstream truth tradition with the explosion of the Trade Center buildings.

    It has destroyed the values that made Western Civilization a viable civilization for a short time historically. It is now a question of creating a new civilization in the 21st century derived out of the old.

    James and the commenters have provided new areas where Civilized perversion has entered and corrupted our lives, notably, in this thread, medicine and public health. G B Shaw at the beginning of the 20th century, in one of his famous prefaces to his plays, decried the notion that medicine should be paid for by the specific injury and disease. This encouraged the medical profession to medicate the public to increase their fees. ” All professions are a conspiracy against the laity.”

    But no one expected that we would ever degenerate to the point where the state would medicate for political purposes. Economics yes, but power? But this appears to be happening. It’s implications are very dangerous, a new weapon of power against the people. Because the capitalist oligarchy that controls our governance will do anything at all to maintain their power, and who knows what weapons their scientists can provide them.

    1. “The racism, violence, and delusion that historically has been a large part of the Western Tradition”

      Mark, all civilizations have been characterized by these things. Idealists, dreamers, who believe it can be different are deluding themselves. It is not just the West. The same was true in Rome, Egypt, Babylon, China, India, Meso-America. It is in human nature. It is hard to overcome.

      “It has destroyed the values that made Western Civilization a viable civilization for a short time historically.”

      This is not true. The West began with the demise of Rome, around AD 500. For the next thousand years, the barbarian tribes that occupied and/or invaded Europe were systematically Christianized, that is, race was irrelevant to westernization. Christianity, which defined the West, is completely non-racial. The vast majority of new Christians, even today, in the post-Western era, are Chinese and African. Soon, in fact, there will be more Chinese Christians than all other Christians put together.

      The values of the West were, in other words, “viable” for at least a thousand years before any hint of “racism” could be tacked on to it (I’m guessing the especial “racism” would have to do with the colonialism that followed after AD 1500 or so). All comers were welcome–so long as they converted to Christianity, and joined the Western Mind.

      A thousand years is no one’s idea of “a short time historically.”

      “It is now a question of creating a new civilization in the 21st century derived out of the old.”

      No. Civilizations are not created, like cities are planned and real estate plotted and constitutional conventions hash out the outlines of governments. They emerge. HOW they emerge is too big a topic for this reply. But the West, for a hint, emerged out of Rome, when Christianity developed within it. The God of the Jews and the Christians replaced the pagan civilizational assumptions of the Romans, quietly, silently, until there was nothing left for the old Roman person to believe in. By the time Rome was invaded and sacked it no longer really existed. Then, the new civilization started to develop in the midst of its wreckage.

      The difference here, in our own experience of civilizational transition, is for the first time in history it has an element of planning. It can be best understood by reading what O’Brien tells Winston Smith in 1984: the Party figured out the cycles of history, and now knows how to stop them. I, of course, believe the Bible, and see that as hubris–but whatever is ruling us certainly thinks like O’Brien. So they are certain that they can indeed create a new civilization out of whole cloth.

      “But no one expected that we would ever degenerate to the point where the state would medicate for political purposes”

      Well, evidently you have no knowledge of Bertrand Russell–no one’s conception of a “capitalist.” He said this:

      “Perhaps by means of injections and drugs and chemicals the population could be induced to bear whatever its scientific masters may decide to be for its good.”

      He also said this:

      “Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.”

      You can read more about it here:

      No, it’s the communistic Left that is behind these monstrous goals. 1984 is communism writ large. Russell is, in essence, O’Brien. No one expected it? Mark, you disappoint me. not only did they expect it, they PLANNED it.

      1. Nicely written, Patrick! Go cynicism and perverted values! (kidding) Thank you for your thoughts. Folktruther, the scientific weapons arrayed against us are many, but I believe we have weapons of compassion and love that cannot be measured. Hey, don’t listen to me though, I’m a middle class, college educated,Mom from California, who is concerned about the epidemic of sick children in the USA. There’s a name for us. The other Moms who feel this way and I should probably be jailed, or at least made to wear an armband. Perhaps we should be financially libel if the pharmaceutical companies, (who are not financially libel),have products that unfortunately fail to work as advertised. Safe is a word that’s thrown around a great deal in the media world of false information, but the package inserts tell the true story. Legally, they still need your informed consent. I believe the kids in this country are so worth fighting for and we must look at all the things that may threaten their health and well-being! The full court press of shrill, unconstitutional prestitutes and pharma minnons, (who don’t know their history), this week was stunning. We need to re-examine the Nuremberg trials through the lens of Operation Paper Clip. Thanks for the article, James Tracy.

      2. I usually never agree with Mark but this time he really sounded like it made sense. Then I read Patrick’s response and evidently I was seriously wrong.

        Which makes me wonder – how could mark be so seemingly educated and persuasive, yet so wrong all the time?

      3. Patrick, nicely done, as usual. I’d like to add a few remarks. Terms are funny things. What Mark apparently sees as “racism” is the currently marketed meaning. The term “race” has only recently come to mean inherent genetics.

        I have some old text books from the 1920’s and beyond that use the term “race” as a descriptor for any identifiable group, genetically similar, or not. For example, the Athenians were a “race” as were the Spartans.

        There are Egyptian hieroglyphics that talk of the various natures of the slave “races” in their service. Some are genetically different, others merely from neighboring countries.

        What this is reflective of is a form of “tribalism”. Anyone not of our tribe is “other”. In point of fact this is a truism. The “other” could be benign, or not. Often cultures have specific needs different from their basic human needs.

        I do not support the idea of one giant homogenous human stew. The globalists would dearly love our acceptance of their “truth”. It makes it ever so much easier to control and eliminate us if we accept such notions willingly.

        When a group or “race” excels as something there is a high likelihood that others will willingly adopt similar behaviors. When they exhibit the opposite, they are rejected. That is how free people behave. Over time the higher purpose is sought and the lower rejected.

        Projecting superiority onto some other group out of shame of one’s own is a decidedly counterproductive activity. It is completely consistent with the psychological conditioning applied by TPTB, however.

        We have much to be proud of. We have the courage to look at our shortcomings and attempt to overcome them. Rejecting our inheritance in some misguided quest to mimic some other group or to create an imaginary, manufactured, “ideal” would be foolish indeed.

        At the basis for discomfort with any “race” is behavior, period. If a group’s behavior is disruptive or unacceptable the group has a choice. Change the behavior or move to somewhere where others are not exposed to it. Artificially forcing peoples to accept behaviors and characteristics they find disruptive and unpleasant is unnatural and illogical.

  12. thank you for your response, Patrick. I don’t have time to reply now, but I will. Calimom, I liked the notion of seeing Nurenberg through the lens of operation Paperclip. As to kidding about cheering on cynicism and perverted values. Really?

    1. The video link is not great but how’s this for an image of how the state wants to intervene in the health of our children. This vaccine thing is causing me to lose sleep. I agree that vaccinations can be good medicine but I fear that if we lose control of the sovereignty of ours and our children’s bodies to the state we are lost. The giant baby surrounded by the healthcare professionals: Folktruther why do you always fight with Patrick? Cynicism and perverted values are your words not mine. I don’t have time to fight with you BTW, I need to take on the vaccine pushers. “

      1. “Folktruther why do you always fight with Patrick?”

        Don’t worry about me, Cali. Mark is like a silly kid in the schoolyard who isn’t quite a bully, but thinks he is. He’s a great source of amusement.

        He’s not serious, either, otherwise he’d go to the trouble of spelling people’s names correctly, and not mischaracterize what people whom he disagrees with think. This behavior also reveals him to be a buffoon. He’s a funny presence in our little world. A sideshow.

        Take, for instance, his latest blithering idiocy directed at me. He said “I don’t know where you get that stuff about Russell.” What a hoot! I’m busting a gut here! I quoted him directly, TWICE, and linked to a source. Yet Mark doesn’t know where I got it, and proceeds to contradict Russell’s own words.

        I’d like you, and everyone else, to laugh at him, along with me, because that’s what clowns are there for.

        1. “I don’t know where you get that stuff about Russell. He was a 19th century rationalist who was routinely criticized for being bourgeois. He was against medicating people for political purposes of course; a traditional liberal, against nuclear weapons…” (From Folktruther)

          I don’t know who Russell is, but I was interested to hear that a 19th century rationalist would be against nuclear weapons. I didn’t know there were nuclear weapons in the 1800s.

        2. @ Professor Tracy, in your own words contained in the Civility Code you wrote:

          However, under no circumstances will profanity or insulting behavior be tolerated here

          So why is a comment like Patrick’s, which contains I’d like you, and everyone else, to laugh at him, along with me, because that’s what clowns are there for. tolerated? And why am I now, apparently BANNED for pointing out the incivility in Patrick’s ridicule of another commenter?

          The reason I did so some weeks ago, is because there are so many very fragile people (at least more fragile than we know) who post on blogs. Some are really hypersensitive to comments. Patrick, asking commenters AS A GROUP (“I’d like you AND EVERYONE ELSE to laugh at him…”) is brutal, in my eyes. It’s calling for mobbing against another commenter – everyone should ridicule and laugh at him – and I don’t understand why that is tolerated here.

          I have seen Patrick flatter you quite often on this blog and his comments get a lot of attention. However, I hope those are not things that would sway you from adhering to your own civility code.

          I am extremely disappointed by this very odd lack of civility on an otherwise really interesting blog.

        3. Tammie,
          Perhaps you should go back through some older MHB posts and look up folktruther under his old moniker- Mark.

        4. I don’t think I was being uncivil at all, Tammie. Mark has for years been a vicious slanderer of me, and I decided some time ago to forego my righteous indignation at being called a racist and many other obviously untrue things by him. He’s a clownish buffoon; no one can take his calumnies seriously. So when he says something typically nasty, my advice is to either ignore it or laugh at him. It’s better than letting him hurt your feelings.

          He is despicable, an openly cheerfully character assassin, not just of me but of many of us. He even once called Tracy himself a racist!

          So if you should be calling for anyone to be rebuked for being uncivil, it’s the one who purports to speak for the Volk you might consider setting your sights on. In fact, it is a testimony to James’ longsuffering and graciousness that he did not cast Mark out of our midst long ago.

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  14. Well, I was going to reply to your response, Patrick, but it is simply too primitive, except where it is absurd. I don’t know where you get that stuff about Russell. He was a 19th century rationalist who was routinely criticized for being bourgeois. He was against medicating people for political purposes of course; a traditional liberal, against nuclear weapons, and the first to support Mark Lane’s attack on; the Warren Commission. O’Brian is exactly who he wasn’t, he was very honest intellectually in the subjects he Mentions, but ideologically naïve, despite his great history of philosophy. He was not a leftist; he was a decent ruling class liberal that Britain tends to produce.

  15. Today I’ve read several aftermath, measles panic stories and I’ve noticed they all make the same claim that there is no science data concerning vaccine truth, so I am bringing this scientific study forward, which came into wider public view in September 2014.

    (Dr. Theresa Deisher is a PhD in Molecular and Cellular Physiology from Stanford University)

    Here is the link from the article where I read the study.

    For those who do not like long reads in a documented study, go to Pg. #6 Sub-title: Association between approval of human fetal cell line manufactured vaccines and autistic disorder change points, in the link provided.

    In the pages directly before Pg.#6 there are interesting graphs to examine.

  16. I am late to this discussion as usual, and I had sat here typing out a long story of my experience with measles. I decided to delete it. Too long. But in 1978 at age 30 I contracted the measles. It nearly killed me. As an adult, measles can be deadly – and all the more so since doctors don’t think an adult will get them, so they don’t look for that as the first reason you’re spiking unnatural temps. The symptoms are like the flu from hell – and I had an ER doctor tell me “it’s the flu.” He gave me two Tylenol. (The entire ER experience was horrific; that’s what I deleted.) When I broke out in the measles rash a day later, an old family physician correctly diagnosed me. I mean, at that point I had it all over my face and body.

    I am not a pro-vaxxer by any means at this point in my life. I probably would have been in 1978, however, if I’d been aware of an incoming refugee population that carried childhood diseases that the U.S. had long since dealt with. So where did I get the measles at age 30? Miami, during an influx of Haitian refugees. I’d only just returned to Miami after several years absence. If I recall the only mention about a measles outbreak in Miami came after I contracted the disease, but it certainly was not the two-inch banner headline grabbing reporting that we have now with the California outbreak.

    As we all know, it’s another attempt to make all vaxxes mandatory for everyone. And even after all I went through, I find that idea repellent to me.

    1. Thank you for sharing your story.

      “I had an ER doctor tell me “it’s the flu.” He gave me two Tylenol. (The entire ER experience was horrific; ”

      The numbers of people who can tell similar personal stories about substandard medical care for themselves or a family member is growing rapidly.

      This is about the immune system and the gut. The gut is where 80 percent of our immune system resides. Establishment medicine admits they do not understand a great deal about the human immune system and also about how exactly the gut works. Dr. Andrew Wakefield has shown us that gut inflammation and autism and the MMR vaccine are inextricably related. At the rate autism is growing, almost every one of us will know someone close to us who are directly affected by this tragic condition.

      When the immune system malfunctions it can be like a runaway train. Something is “set off” and major destruction in the body ensues.

      Because immune disorders and autoimmune illnesses and “diseases” are a major category of conditions for which medical help is sought today by more and more people, this “vaccine crisis” extends to a much much larger crisis than only the vaccines in relation to child safety.

      The “government” knows they have a problem on their hands that will not go away and they know they cannot handle or deal with the situation, so they have decided the authoritarian – tyrannical way is the only way. This vaccine crisis brings all of us face to face with the state of tyranny and despotism of the US government.

      Yes, there is major and growing righteous public outrage. But remember they never waste a crisis, even when it is a crisis that they have not specifically created. They will USE THIS CRISIS to suppress the people one way or another. When all else fails and the crisis gets too difficult for them to spin and twist and use the soft way, they can always use one of their off-the-shelf major shooting events or other false event distraction to take over the headlines. Their patterns and formulas are becoming all too clear.

    2. This brings up an important issue: is it actually a good idea to eliminate childhood diseases? When it was normal for children to get them, they were thereafter immune for life.

      With the advent of air travel, and immigration from the third world, adults are certain to be exposed to these diseases, which as your case demonstrates are quite different when you are no longer a child.

      One reason it was so easy for white people to colonize the Americas was that early explorers had unwittingly exposed the indians to European childhood diseases that were unknown in the Americas, and many millions of adult Indians had died–North America had been largely depopulated because of it.

      Fear of measles–a relatively harmless, normal, part of growing up–is like fear of germs in general. The weird obsession with antiseptic conditions in hospitals for instance (you can never open a window) has made them breeding grounds for strains of bacteria that are immune to all antibiotics.

      This is really foolish.

      Human beings embark upon stupid experiments with all the best intentions, having no idea of the catastrophic consequences their ignorance will cause.

  17. Quote by Dr. Andrew Moulden :”Despite my unwavering belief in vaccine-induced brain damages (I could measure and see it), the College of Physicians and Surgeons own independent assessors could find nothing wrong with my mental faculties other than being ‘stressed.’ I was stressed. We are causing harm…nobody seems to care. Nobody wants to rock the boat. I just want the truth to be known so parents can make informed decisions and children and infants are no longer killed or harmed.” – See more at:

  18. I threw away my statin drugs before ever taking one. My research showed that the drugs have never saved anyone, and the pharmaceutical industry seems to lower the acceptable limits of cholesterol every few years, thus ensuring a fatter bottom line. They are most likely a gateway drug to getting people on the pharma treadmill culminating in the 10 pills every morning by the time you are 60 plan.

    Interestingly, my doctor never said a word when I didn’t renew the prescription, or come back after three months to check my liver function. You don’t suppose I got lost among his other 14,000 patients?
    Great comments section on this one bye the way.

    As for the autism rates skyrocketing, you don’t get those kind of results without trying. The vaccine is probably targeting a gene that does not fit in with the brave new world they are creating. Not to mention depriving a person of natural immunity from these childhood illnesses could be setting the world up for a pandemic of mass proportions.

  19. I recommend Tim O’Shea’s book titled, “The Sanctity of Human Blood – Immunization is Not Vaccination”.

    It’s in a ninth edition and appears to be available only at used book sellers but it’s worth the read. It goes into how Jenner (who was a chemist and who bought his ‘medical degree’) started the whole vaccination is immunization hoax and made himself a ‘name’ and a good deal of money. He also directly killed a few people along the way by jabbing them with the contents of cow pustules, a number of times over a number of years – but hey, it was all for ‘science’.

    According to “The Sanctity of Human Blood” vaccines are changing the human genome, which would tie in with the androgynous agenda…

    1. I went to the YouTube TheAlexJonesChannel and I did not find this particular excellent video by Rob Due on the Channel’s listings.

      I was surprised to see this 30 minute video posted on the AJ channel since most all of the videos posted there are showing only about 15 minute run times since that channel is under restrictions / punishment from the “Lenny Posner” complaint.

      Maybe the restriction period has ended or has been lifted.

    2. It is amazing how many people will argue that vaccines are simply great for people. I have a theory.

      When it comes to communicating with imbeciles who take their marching orders from psychopaths, reason flies out the window.

      The problem of trying to have a conversation with imbeciles is that they are simply incapable of understanding anything outside of their obtuse reality. They suffer from cognitive dissonance and are proud of it. In fact, the more cognitively dysfunctional, the more the imbecile is celebrated as being strong. Imbeciles cannot be enlightened; their ignorant and boorish way of looking at the world is impervious to any different, even more correct perspective. Indeed, they have a visceral aversion to correction, which only retrenches their imbecility all the more.

      The problem in dealing with psychopaths who control the imbecile is that they are powerless to change course – even if they have a residual ability to think independently and to recognize an alternative perspective as being more correct, or at least reasonable.

      Thus we have a dilemma when it comes to pertinent dialogue both on a personal level and in international relations even one might say on a heightened playing field.

      Psychopaths in general are engaged in the systematic vandalism of the though processes. Truth, logic nor historical evidence mean nothing to them in the arena of debate.

      The imbecilic will substitute axioms and accusations for rational dialogue. They are guided by their own self-serving propaganda and are deluded by every word of it. And proud of it! God bless them and now back to FOX NEWS.

      1. Hi D…I was reading an article on an alt-news site when I found that vid. I clicked the YT button, was directed there and watched it. I can’t explain the problem you mentioned, possibly there is a missing piece of information, that does not allow us to see the big picture.

        I decided to drop it here because the vid seems to exemplify that there are two conflicting views in the vac issue. I mean if there are studies that exist in varying medical/science journals, then that is a fact. If one view professes that vacs are effective and another view professes vacs are ineffective, then its clear that only one side of the issue knows both sides of the conflict that has arisen.

        Dlink seems to have pointed that out and is basically explaining John Ralston Saul’s explanation of problems that arise from the creation of ‘a prism of intellectual silos–from the universities to the world of specialists.’ Saul did note in his book, The Unconscious Civilization, that when professionals or specialists work in a silo ‘it creates a dysfunctional intellectual and political process within society’ where there is no ability to communicate between silos. Saul adds, ‘In a world drowning in methods of communication, we nevertheless cannot communicate’ and ‘the sum of the parts is less than what we take to be the whole.’ [Quotes on pg. xii of Preface]

        What you explain Dlink, Saul refers to as, the problem of creating silos produces, ‘an almost unassailable level of hardworking professional unconsciousness.’ [Pg. xiv of Preface]

        I always stay on the middle road with research, so I see this confliction in the issue as the two roads intersect and the confliction ties itself into something resembling a ‘knot.’ The knot is not untied, but becomes facts on one road that do not recognize the other road which is truly the experiential, existential experience of actual families and their children. The latter road is more favored to know both sides of the conflict and as that grows, the tension is breaking down the ‘knot’ because existential problems for families produces the kind of distress that directs those involved to move out of managed perception into the state of re-capturing their capacity to maintain their own health and become responsible for that.

        So the ‘knot’ is fraying! Let us hope that all the threads can be untied where we can over-ride our human nature to be emotional and moralizing and the ground we will find answers on would be a space of higher understanding marked by enhanced sensitivity/reflection on the issue and an enhanced comprehension that does not back down from uncomfortable information, where we persevere for the sake of having and living in a healthier society.

        Thanks Dlink…your honest rendering of the ‘knot’ is truly indicative of a deep-seated frustration with the issue. Hopefully that other road of suppressed perception will notice that rendering as the work of a true citizen who cares about the whole public good in society.

    3. Interestingly the largest lobby against forced vaccine are doctors and nurses. Many doctors simply will not vaccinate their children. Teacher unions and labor unions are coming out against this.

      When our current “leader” came into office I did read a piece indicating he had some 50 million invested in vaccine companies.

      1. Mick, that makes perfect sense. A large part of the problem, coupled with your observations on imbeciles above, is that people do not understand how vaccines work. To them they’re marvelous miracles. They “cure” it all.

        There is a push afoot to mark non-vaccinated people as “vectors”. This is not the case and, even those who are vaccinated against something still carry the germs from it if they are exposed.

        In theory, what a vaccine is supposed to do is to give someone a “head start” on warding off an infection. Said another way, it lessons the reaction. It doesn’t make the germs go away.

        If, for example, you’ve already had the measles, you have antibodies already built up in your system and no need for a vaccine. We are all exposed to these organisms every day. If we are weakened we may succumb and become ill while our bodies manufacture antibodies to fight them or draw from our store in our lymphatic systems.

        When the state decides that it has more of an interest in choosing for you than you do, we’re in trouble. Having unvaccinated children in school is not a threat. There could be a threat from having people with diseases from other areas bringing them into areas where the population is not resistant.

        These parasitic tools in government are simply doing the bidding of those who own them. Being psychopaths, they have no regard for the value of life or anyone’s freedom. We should be debating the use of mandatory anti-parasidics before they kill the host.

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